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| Rocco |
| i'm not shocked. This is just one of many things that go on in islamic schools. They start out with good intentions to teach the faith of Islam but one or two extreemists take over and start breeding terorists at a yonge age. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Since the Jews were expelled from Palestine by Romans in retaliation for their bloody uprisings against Roman Empire...
Jews are for most part very educated people, based on their morals and goals, outlined in their society - education was very important. THats why often enough Jews had better jobs than other people and other religious groups in their new communities. Those were the key reasons for the whole mistreatment of Jews up until the 2oth century. Then Hitler wanted to purify the world of Jews, blaming them for the death of Jesus Christ (who was himself a Jew, what an irony), and the fact that they have "taken over" German (and some other countries' businesses and infrastructure), German people needed to be "cleansed" from this so-called "disease". So the horrific Great Genocide of the World War 2 had happened in which over 7 million Jews from all over Europe died. |
Ok...I agree with most of what you're saying but here's where I think things get clouded....
The whole historical reasoning for Hitler's Genocide (World War 2) was not because Hitler wanted to purify the world of Jews for the death of Jesus Christ. It was caused by a select group of financial (Wall Street) insiders. It has been thoroughly documented that 8 Billion $$ was invested in Nazi German to fund WW2. Insiders like J.P. Morgan, T. W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, the Ford Motor Company, and scores of other business elitists helped finance Hitler’s rise to power – and the bloodiest, most destructive war in history. As a result, the men of "We Were Soldiers" didn't know that ITT built the airplanes that dropped bombs on them. They didn't know that Ford and General Motors built the Nazi's trucks and tanks. They didn't know that ball bearings crucial to the Nazi war effort were manufactured in Philadelphia, yet were in short supply in the USA. This was all done with the knowledge and permission of the US government.
And as for how the War got started, well On the first day of World War Two, His Majesty's ship "Lorna" fired on the limping overcrowded "Tiger Hill" as she approached Palestine with 1417 Jewish refugees. The first people killed by the British in WWII were not Germans but Jewish escapees from Germany. Other refugee ships (e.g. the "St. Louis") were sent back to Germany by the US or blown up with all souls on board by British MI-6 (the "Struma").
Now I'm not making this up. You can check for yourself. Verify the account told by William R. Perl, a Lt. Colonel with the US Army Intelligence Service and lookup the books written by Charles Higham's and Christopher Simpson.
Of course you may be asking if the elite of Wall Street funded this why didn't Hitler win the war...The bottom line was that the real money is in war and genocide itself...and BTW this same elite also backed the Allies too. So you see there is no end to what greed will do. Now what Hitler did was inexcusable but like Noreiga, he was a puppet and USA's Wall Street Elite was the puppet master..
Oh and...as for your explanation about how the "Jews had "taken over" German (and some other countries' businesses and infrastructure) because they were better educated people, based on their morals and goals, outlined in their society...and thats why often enough Jews had better jobs than other people and other religious groups in their new communities" Well then it's good that they were better educated etc. but take someone like Hitler and plant the right type of people around him and manipulate the belief that this will be the end of his people and what do you think will happen. WAR!
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After World War 2, in 1948, Jews were officially granted homeland in what was then Palestine (Jews started fleeing to Palestine decades earlier). |
Again I'm clouded by this. Who is it that granted homeland to Jews?
That I know of...all the history corraborates that Jews took homelands, not that they were granted them.
Anyways...I too do not support either Jews or Muslims in this conflict. Both sides have done their share of crimes.
And...yes the first mistake done was done by British and French to pass a Mandate to allow a mass migration of Jews into Palestine, in turn displacing many Palestinians....or was it a mistake.
There is no denying that Jews were persecuted. However, let's not blind ourselves into ignoring who the real key players are. And btw...just so that we are clear...there are also key players in the Jewish community too...the funding that goes into this war is unnecessary. And it saddens me to see and hear hate propaganda by both sides (I feel that perhaps all the old set way of thinking and conditioned belief that they are hated and about to be persecuted again...stigmatizes and makes the retaliatory behaviour look much worse).
Again the bottom line to all this is that...it's about money.
All the hate incidents...well that's just the ripple effect of ignorance. Ignorance begets ignorance. Most likely it is like what Nat says...these poor ignorant souls are conditioned into a belief system. But I also think that perhaps the same hold true in the Jewish community. The fear must hurt so much and it trigger a protectionist behaviour which may do more harm than good.
But Then again...Like I said...I'm neither for nor against. I just wish there wouldn't be a war...and that people shouldn't hate people. We all live on this big Island (the World)...and if we blow each other up...we have nowhere else to go. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
First of all, I am neither Jew or Muslim as well, in fact I am Russian Orthodox.
Yes, I've met a coloured Jew before, in Russia, of all the places.
Those mostly originate from Afrika, particularly the Jews Of Ethiopia. Recently Israeli government agreed to airlift thousands of them from Ethiopia into Israel. From what I also know, there are substantial Jewish communities in other countries in Afrika - such as Kenya and the Republic Of South Africa. |
Actually I was referring to the Jewish Community here in Canada. I have never met Coloured Jews here. I'm sure they exist, but I've never met any here in Ontario. |
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| Flec |
about not beleiving liek this could go on in school
go google keegstra :D |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flec
about not beleiving liek this could go on in school
go google keegstra :D |
OMG... how could you totally misunderstand this :(
It's not that one can't believe it could happen. It's that one can't believe it could happen in Canada. Canada has always been very strict on their education guidelines. That's why I think perhaps there is more to this story, then how the media is covering it. |
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| starsearcher |
b4k-oz you have a lot of information there about WWII theories that are very far fetched and I don't want to get into the whole history of the world but I've just completed the course on this issue and international relations leading up to the second world war during it and past it...mind you I also got an A in the course so I really really know what i'm talking about by saying that
| quote: | | he whole historical reasoning for Hitler's Genocide (World War 2) was not because Hitler wanted to purify the world of Jews for the death of Jesus Christ. It was caused by a select group of financial (Wall Street) insiders. It has been thoroughly documented that 8 Billion $$ was invested in Nazi German to fund WW2. Insiders like J.P. Morgan, T. W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, the Ford Motor Company, and scores of other business elitists helped finance Hitler’s rise to power – and the bloodiest, most destructive war in history. |
is really rubbish...
America was a neutral coutry and thus legally could trade with any side up to a certain part of the war...wheteher it was moral or not makes no difference because when the truth came out they were exclusively on the allied side...
Another thing that should be mentioned is that during that time EVERYTHING was about anti-communism...and the great depresion coupled with anti-communism is what helped bring Hitler to power....Hitler wanted to get rid of everyone who was not of Aryan blood (the irony is that he is not one himself)...that included Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Browns, and particularly Slavs (who are white out of all people) whom he hated most of all for some reason. There are lots of issues involved but that comment that you've made is HIGHLY incorrect
The west was so scared of communism that pretty much anyone other than the communists were better...Hitler through many tactics of fear terror propaganda and etc came to power in a democracit way elected by his countrymen |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Again I'm clouded by this. Who is it that granted homeland to Jews?
That I know of...all the history corraborates that Jews took homelands, not that they were granted them.
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That land belonged to Great Britain and there was a UN vote after the war what to do with it. The vote was passed that this land will become Israel...a land for Jews...concequently on the same night of the declaration of creation of Israel every single Arab country declared war on Israel and attacked it |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
whom he (Hitler) hated most of all for some reason. |
If only the damn Vienna School of Fine Arts would have accepted him... :rolleyes: Maybe then he would have stayed out of politics all together.
If anything - blame the Austrians!!! ;) |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Ok...I agree with most of what you're saying but here's where I think things get clouded....
The whole historical reasoning for Hitler's Genocide (World War 2) was not because Hitler wanted to purify the world of Jews for the death of Jesus Christ. It was caused by a select group of financial (Wall Street) insiders. It has been thoroughly documented that 8 Billion $$ was invested in Nazi German to fund WW2. Insiders like J.P. Morgan, T. W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, the Ford Motor Company, and scores of other business elitists helped finance Hitler’s rise to power – and the bloodiest, most destructive war in history. As a result, the men of "We Were Soldiers" didn't know that ITT built the airplanes that dropped bombs on them. They didn't know that Ford and General Motors built the Nazi's trucks and tanks. They didn't know that ball bearings crucial to the Nazi war effort were manufactured in Philadelphia, yet were in short supply in the USA. This was all done with the knowledge and permission of the US government.
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it is true that some American companies have done business with Nazi Germany. Whatever that colonel said, I dont believe that the intentions of American companies was to start a genocide, its a complete bull. Primarily because Jews have and HAD since early 20th century a lot of people in American business, thus exerting hunge influence on business decisions. Therefore it does not make sense why they would choose genocide of their own people.
Some American companies did in fact do business with Nazis to MAKE MONEY from it, but not to INVEST in Nazi Germany or to kill millions of people. In fact, many of those American companies did secretly benefit and made money off the war, primarily IBM. The whole machine system designed to control concentration camps was designed by American companies and sold to Nazis. Little did those companies know or care about the purpose of them though.
Yes, Americans did invest to help Hitler rise to power. Just like they invested many millions of dollars to topple Bolshevik Revolution in 1917-1922 and failed. They managed to make such a deal, that if Bolsheviks did lose the war, half of the Russian Empire would be split and given away to European empires and parts of Siberia passed on to Americans, and the Russian aristocracy would remain in power. Thank God it did not happen, otherwise Russia would only turn out in 20th century history books on page 311 as some small weak country like Romania.
The primary reasoning for the conflict was of course the money, but since it has shifted away into geographical and religious power struggle. Money still runs it all, and the balance has been shifting into Muslims' favour (as illustrated by the Suez Canal War in 1973). There are some shady individuals/group of people deep inside the US government who make all these deicisions, and use presidents as marionettes to turn their plan into reality. Just look at the expansion of the American empire.
I believe the collapse of the Soviet Union was planned out and a lot of money was paid to some people to make it happen. You cant just have a country fold in a day. And Americans were the biggest benefactors of it, and now noone can stop their expansion, and the money has been flowing ever since in ... |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
it is true that some American companies have done business with Nazi Germany. Whatever that colonel said, I dont believe that the intentions of American companies was to start a genocide, its a complete bull. Primarily because Jews have and HAD since early 20th century a lot of people in American business, thus exerting hunge influence on business decisions. Therefore it does not make sense why they would choose genocide of their own people.
Some American companies did in fact do business with Nazis to MAKE MONEY from it, but not to INVEST in Nazi Germany or to kill millions of people. In fact, many of those American companies did secretly benefit and made money off the war, primarily IBM. The whole machine system designed to control concentration camps was designed by American companies and sold to Nazis. Little did those companies know or care about the purpose of them though.
Yes, Americans did invest to help Hitler rise to power. Just like they invested many millions of dollars to topple Bolshevik Revolution in 1917-1922 and failed. They managed to make such a deal, that if Bolsheviks did lose the war, half of the Russian Empire would be split and given away to European empires and parts of Siberia passed on to Americans, and the Russian aristocracy would remain in power. Thank God it did not happen, otherwise Russia would only turn out in 20th century history books on page 311 as some small weak country like Romania.
The primary reasoning for the conflict was of course the money, but since it has shifted away into geographical and religious power struggle. Money still runs it all, and the balance has been shifting into Muslims' favour (as illustrated by the Suez Canal War in 1973). There are some shady individuals/group of people deep inside the US government who make all these deicisions, and use presidents as marionettes to turn their plan into reality. Just look at the expansion of the American empire.
I believe the collapse of the Soviet Union was planned out and a lot of money was paid to some people to make it happen. You cant just have a country fold in a day. And Americans were the biggest benefactors of it, and now noone can stop their expansion, and the money has been flowing ever since in ... |
I agree very well said and reinforces my statement earlier ;) |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
No, not really. It is not institutionalised in our school systems, let alone promoted on our side at all. |
Actually I wasn't suggesting it was institutionalized or promoted in schools.
I was actually trying to figure out why this War/hate thing is happening:
Now that I've read so many things, I'm beginning to wonder a lot about what the media tells us too and who the key players are....perhaps this war thing is being played up for other motives...but I don't profess to understand it at all---or yet
Sorry Nat |
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| starsearcher |
There has been unrest in that area since the biblical times...greeks, romans, british, french, christinas, hebrews, and god knows who else faught for this land all throughout the ages...
I don't think there are any secret motives here...just fight for land, rights for the land and etc etc... |
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