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Buying a JP-8000 (pg. 2)
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| Axolotyl |
Depend on how much your paying for it. Is it second hand? I passed up a chance to buy a JP8080 for AU$800 (about US$500) and I'm kicking myself now.
Theres a reason every second producer seems to have one. I've used one before and they are very suited to trance and seem easy to use and program.
I wouldnt go for the V-synth personally. Very new and very expensive. Leave it for a year or so and you'll find they'll dramatically drop in price like all hardware. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
better isnt allways good. the reason why older synths are so much more rich is becuase they are dirty. dirier the better reason why vstis cant recreate a accurate jp80x0 is beacause they cant get the analogue sound. its kinda like if youve ever gone into a store and played with a cheap synth that has a basic saw now compare to it a good synth and youll here the differnce. maybe that didnt make sense but here ill dumb it down take the minimoog its en rich ass sound but its by digital standards. but digital sounds arent as good as anoluge sounds as digital is merely images of the sound where as analogue uses votalges which makes the differnce. a votalge controlled oscilator and filter will make things sound better. honestly i listened to the v-synth demos and i still strongly belive a jp80x0 is better. its merely the synth same reason why the korg microkorg is based on the same software as the ms2000b but doesnt sound nearly as good. its all about the routing and the way its processed. bassically im having trouble explaining in exact what im trying to but think about it and see if you can grasp my idea.
only synths i have a desire to own are a novation supernova 2 nord modular g2 jp8080 and a virus ti. yes theres lots of other ones but imo thoose 4 would give an insane varitey of sounds. the jp8080 is amazing for nice uplifting pads and strings. the amount of the sound spectrum it consumes is insane. so id say if your after a nice strong powerfull synth buy a jp8080 and a midi controller and your set. but hey dont listen to me goto a store and with one for a few hours. |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
better isnt allways good. the reason why older synths are so much more rich is becuase they are dirty. dirier the better reason why vstis cant recreate a accurate jp80x0 is beacause they cant get the analogue sound. its kinda like if youve ever gone into a store and played with a cheap synth that has a basic saw now compare to it a good synth and youll here the differnce. maybe that didnt make sense but here ill dumb it down take the minimoog its en rich ass sound but its by digital standards. but digital sounds arent as good as anoluge sounds as digital is merely images of the sound where as analogue uses votalges which makes the differnce. a votalge controlled oscilator and filter will make things sound better. honestly i listened to the v-synth demos and i still strongly belive a jp80x0 is better. its merely the synth same reason why the korg microkorg is based on the same software as the ms2000b but doesnt sound nearly as good. its all about the routing and the way its processed. bassically im having trouble explaining in exact what im trying to but think about it and see if you can grasp my idea.
only synths i have a desire to own are a novation supernova 2 nord modular g2 jp8080 and a virus ti. yes theres lots of other ones but imo thoose 4 would give an insane varitey of sounds. the jp8080 is amazing for nice uplifting pads and strings. the amount of the sound spectrum it consumes is insane. so id say if your after a nice strong powerfull synth buy a jp8080 and a midi controller and your set. but hey dont listen to me goto a store and with one for a few hours. |
1st JP8000 isnt analog, its software in a box.
2nd Vsynth is the same software and more in box. |
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| Derivative |
stop with the misinformation. the roland v-synth does NOT have the jp80x0 engine in it. the v-synth 2 and v-synth xt does. and both are not out yet.
secondly. you can ebay a jp80x0 for about £500. a v-synth 2/xt has an RRP of about £1600.
thirdly, the v-synth 1 engine is an amazing synth in its own right. but if you just want supersaws and a fat saw wave oscillator (better than my virus b saw waves for sure), just get a jp8080. its cheaper. theres less to learn. its easier to program. and you get what you want out of it.
oh. did i mention that its alot cheaper too?
| quote: | | better isnt allways good. the reason why older synths are so much more rich is becuase they are dirty. dirier the better reason why vstis cant recreate a accurate jp80x0 is beacause they cant get the analogue sound. its kinda like if youve ever gone into a store and played with a cheap synth that has a basic saw now compare to it a good synth and youll here the differnce. maybe that didnt make sense but here ill dumb it down take the minimoog its en rich ass sound but its by digital standards. but digital sounds arent as good as anoluge sounds as digital is merely images of the sound where as analogue uses votalges which makes the differnce. a votalge controlled oscilator and filter will make things sound better. |
jp80x0 is virtual analogue - i.e. a digital synth made to replicate as closely as possible, analogue sound without the aspects of analogue synths (wandering pitch, circuit wear over time, large manufacturing costs etc). there are 2 reasons why digital synths dont sound as good as analogue synths for making analogue type sounds.
1) digital oscillator waveforms alias. whereas analogue oscillators do not. aliasing occurs when you do not filter out all frequency that is greater than half its sample rate. softsynths generally tend to alias all over the place (see refx vanguard) which is one common reason why software VAs never seem to sound as good as hardware VAs (that alias much less) but which never seem to sound as good as true analogues (which dont alias at all).
2) digital waveforms are the same every time - they do not wander like analogue oscillators tend to. of course, analogue synths can wander in tuning as well except when the oscillator is computer controlled to reduce this. even then analogue is a pain in the arse. some chips burn out. they require more maintenance. and they are useless for making any sound other than analogue-ish type sounds. whereas synths like viruses can do digital wavetables, fairly good but not perfect analogue emulations. can run samples through the filter and effects section. overall just more versatile really |
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| Azza Robinson |
| quote: | | 1st JP8000 isnt analog, its software in a box. |
Mate do u actually no what your saying? i havent found a soft synth yet that can create powerful leads and strings , pads like the jp can, i own a jp8080 and its the best thing ive ever brought well worth it and for £400 it was a bargin wouldn't swap it for anything. |
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| Derivative |
he does know what hes saying. and he is correct.
the jp8000 like all virtual analogue synths are lines of code (software) designed to run on digital signal processors in the box. my virus b is no different. everything, the oscillators, the filters are lines of code and algorithyms designed to run on the single motorola DSP chip, all in the box.
true analogue synths dont have DSPs. they dont have lines of code. they use voltage, resistance and circuit paths to generate an analog signal. this isnt something you can ever really truley emulate in virtual analogue although you can get fairly close (nord lead).
the difference with softsynths is that they are written and coded in software but are designed to run on your CPU. and the programmers have to design their synths such that they dont completely destroy your CPU so you cant do anything else.
for a better description than mine check this article out:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/artic..._16/ai_67881971
(its pretty easy to understand too - well written) |
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| Azza Robinson |
| ok that shut me up lol :D i still own a jp so its all good :D lol |
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| Tomas_P |
| Would'nt trade my J-8000 for anything. Have been offered quite the sum of money for it but i've always told people no! :P |
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| DJ Twenty |
Cant add much more but Hardware is the way.
The rich sound the 8000/8080 produces when u twiddle with the knobs just aint as good as doing it via computer!
give me hardware anyday! :D |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
stop with the misinformation. the roland v-synth does NOT have the jp80x0 engine in it. the v-synth 2 and v-synth xt does. and both are not out yet.
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Would you please stop with your misinformation.... You can download the new os for any version software OS here http://v-tribe.info/.
Any you can pick up a mint almost unused vsynth on ebay for under 1400. Here is one of the many auctions this one happens to be mine..
The demo i post earlier i made on that vsynth...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 |
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| fr0st |
Everyone here is soo quick to correct someone else.. Before making a silly statement atleast do some research.
And i have two vintage analog boards a roland jupiter 6 and a oberheim xpander. Niether of which have problems with the osc drifting when im working with the. If you keep the gear in a constant temp there should be no problems. Has for chips burning out. that is a possibility they are 20-30 years old... |
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| bachatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by fr0st
Would you please stop with your misinformation.... You can download the new os for any version software OS here http://v-tribe.info/.
Any you can pick up a mint almost unused vsynth on ebay for under 1400. Here is one of the many auctions this one happens to be mine..
The demo i post earlier i made on that vsynth...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 |
I just listened to the demo you posted- i dont know if you were using presets or u programmed those yourself, but it doesn't sound as rich as a JP-80x0. Which proves what I was saying before, its not the same synth, so it will naturally have a different character. |
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