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Sasha & Digweed (Ableton) (pg. 2)
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| quote: | Originally posted by zizack
I recently went to Crobar here in NYC to see what Sasha was up to with Ableton, and I have to say, i was impressed. But he wasn't DJing. It was a live act, sort of. Guys like Infusion, Grayarea, Nu NRG, Hybrid, etc are doing much more unique things than Sasha is right now. They're reacreating all their songs live on the fly using keyboards and real instruments in some cases.
Plus people have to realize that Sasha using Ableton is not a one man show. I highly doubt he is sitting there cutting up and relayering all these songs. I'm sure he has people who do that for him. And not everyone is going to be able to use a custom made Ableton controller and get taught how to use the program by actual Ableton engineers like I'm sure was the case for him. I definitely respect what he is doing and think it is cool, but by no means do I think Ableton is goign to replace conventional Djing. |
this is exactly how i feel about this too. i kinda tried to say pretty much the same thing there above, but you said it better. :) |
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| webbie |
Seconly, Infusion, Grayarea and everyone is is really an act.
Sasha, well, he is one man and he isnt really interacting THAT much with the crowd so id rather see him behind a pair of decks working
some vinyl instead of moving a mouse around on a screen gazing into the program. It just makes me think of little boys who get their first
computer and get completely absorbed with it, not knowing or caring
of the outside world. |
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| mikefasssy |
alot of people keep saying that its possible to do a lot more with turntables (which it is) but I've yet to see anyone other than sasha do something like this with this type of music (prog house/trance).
whats keeping you guys from showing him up? you make it sound awfully easy.... |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikefasssy
but I've yet to see anyone other than sasha do something like this with this type of music (prog house/trance).
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go see Infusion, Grayarea or Hyrbid for example... this is being done all over and times 10. But SASHA starts using a computer program and everyone is hailing the end of the turntable. lol
Grayarea...
Infusion
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| mikefasssy |
| quote: | Originally posted by zizack
go see Infusion, Grayarea or Hyrbid for example... this is being done all over and times 10. But SASHA starts using a computer program and everyone is hailing the end of the turntable. lol |
yea i know, but a few guys earlier were referring to doing the same thing with just their decks and cdjs. i'd way rather see sasha using hardware than only a laptop as well.
the thing with sasha though is that unlike the already great liveshow acts he doesn't just do his own stuff live, he does it with other tracks, which makes it a tiny bit more special than just "just using a computer program" to run cubase or whatever and have assigned to volume knobs on a midi keyboard (which is also fun if you are poor like me :D )
-caleb |
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| Nick Mimas |
| I reckon just buying a CD player and producing your own tracks a remixing is the best way to have a truly unique set and get the crowd going. It's just as good as Ableton Live except you wont get people on your back for using a computer and alot more respect from people. That's just my two cents. |
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| CleverName |
| Jeez, this entire thread is one big Sasha bash. Makes me ashamed to call myself a TA. |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
Jeez, this entire thread is one big Sasha bash. Makes me ashamed to call myself a TA. |
its just a bunch of guys who are afraid to see one of their favorite artists abandon the decks in a sense... he was a role model for a lot of people to buy decks and vinyl, now he doesnt even use it.. |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
Jeez, this entire thread is one big Sasha bash. Makes me ashamed to call myself a TA. |
it is? The initial post was basically asking people if they thought that Ableton was going to replace conventional DJing because people on clubplanet were really into his recent set with Digweed at Crobar and basically started declaring that TT's would be a thing of the past . No ones bashing him, just stating that he's not doing anything that people haven't done before. |
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| rturn214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by CleverName
Jeez, this entire thread is one big Sasha bash. Makes me ashamed to call myself a TA. |
I friggin' hate Van Dyk and Tiesto... friggin'
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Now it's just a big "Bash members of the DJ List Top Ten DJ's in the World" thread...
:D
... Friggin...
EDIT: Actually, at 1:59 AM CST on 4/7/05 this thread could officially be titled "Bash the top 3 DJ's in the world according the The Dj List" Thread...
It is absolutely amazing what a 20 hour day and a mild buzz will make you find interesting at 2 in the morning... |
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| Nyquist_Theorem |
wondering how many of the ppl posting in this thread have actually
a) seen sasha play live with ableton
b) used ableton in a dj setup
c) dj'd at all
d) grasped the relation between all of this
having been/done all that, seriously, the sky is not falling.
a dj is someone who researches, picks, plays, and presents music to an audience as a performance. the tools will change, but the audience's desired elements will not. nothing to worry about folks, just modern technology making the scene we love that much more exciting. :) |
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| Stasis |
I've been to 3 separate Crobar performances where Sasha was using Ableton and yes, I do dj myself.
With that being said, I think we're letting the allure of technology blind us from the actual debate, which is: does using laptops/ableton/etc increase the clubbing experience for the actual people on the dance floor?
At the end of the day, I just want to hear great music, and it doesn't matter if its some track on vinyl that's been out for a while, a freshly burned CDR with some exclusive tune on it, or the fusion of elements from 5 songs at once, if its good music I'm happy.
The danger of all this Ableton discussion and fascination is that people lose sight of that and using ableton becomes some sort of technical competition, as in, people start trying to out do each other, ie."Who can play the most tracks simultaneous at once and have it sound ok?" or "Who can use the craziest effects at the same time?" etc. You can quickly see how something like using ableton could become similar to turntablism, where technical wizardry takes precedent over playing fun, danceable music.
Anyway, that's my two cents: if we all remember that djing is about music at the end of the day and not about the medium, then we'll all be fine. |
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