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digital djs.. a question about organization (pg. 2)
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| cryo |
| i put one track per cd and then write the artist and title on the cd |
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| trancinchink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
i have pretty much completely transferred over to CDs now. My method is pretty simple and it works for me just fine:
2. Convert to wav and cram as many as I can onto a CD
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that won't do crap to the sound quality if it was already an mp3
i've spun in clubs using mp3 format, and it sounded fine to me... i asked my friends who were on the dancefloor, sounded fine to them... i think as long as you get a legitimite copy of the file, then it'll sound fine in a club.
i'd also like to add that it wasn't a small club either... i dunno where u guys are getting this information that mp3's sound like crap |
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| CosmoKid |
mp3s are a compressed file format. in order to compress a file, some aspects of the track must be removed. usually it starts with the high highs, and the low lows. but even what you hear is still compressed.
mp3s lose their brightness, for lack of a technical term. :conf:
if you listen to satellite radio, you hear it in that as well. XM or sirius send out the music in a compressed format in order to take up less bandwidth.
mp3s lose the warmness you hear on less compressed formats. |
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| DjJade |
mp3s defintily sound like crap
even cdr in wav sounds like crap
something about cds make them sound so harsh. there have been many times where i am at a club...even a small one and the music is hurting my ears. i look over and see the dj spinning a track from the cdj. then when he puts a record back on, it sounds ok again. and the meters on the mixer were running the same between the two tracks
but anyway again...... does someone with experience want to tell me if there is a big difference between downloaded 320kbps mp3s, wmas, and mail order wave?
anyone know of other stores besides edmdigital where you can get .flac files? |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by CosmoKid
mp3s are a compressed file format. in order to compress a file, some aspects of the track must be removed. usually it starts with the high highs, and the low lows. but even what you hear is still compressed.
mp3s lose their brightness, for lack of a technical term. :conf:
if you listen to satellite radio, you hear it in that as well. XM or sirius send out the music in a compressed format in order to take up less bandwidth.
mp3s lose the warmness you hear on less compressed formats. |
The quality of streamed mp3 is vastly different to what your getting in 320kbs. Its almost double the quality
I've heard 320kbps mp3s played in clubs before and they sound fine. You might not want to play wembley stadium with it, but for your average medium to large club, you would be extremely hard pressed to tell the difference between that and a CD. You would be more likely to be able to tell the difference on headphones or a bang and olufsen sound system than on a club PA, since the natural reverb of a club aswell as the crowd noise will distort the sound anyway. |
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| trancinchink |
| i'm quite aware of what an mp3 is cosmokid... being that i'm a music tech major. i made my statement based on my experience, not on technical information. i personally played a 320 kbps mp3 at a medium sized club (ikon in nyc) and it sounded fine. did u have a different experience w/ mp3's in a club? |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancinchink
i'm quite aware of what an mp3 is cosmokid... being that i'm a music tech major. i made my statement based on my experience, not on technical information. i personally played a 320 kbps mp3 at a medium sized club (ikon in nyc) and it sounded fine. did u have a different experience w/ mp3's in a club? |
Ha, I just realised your Hai Lee Chen... A friend of mine was raving about some of your mixes the other day. I gave them a listen... very nice stuff mate. Keep up the good work =) |
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| trancinchink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Axolotyl
Ha, I just realised your Hai Lee Chen... A friend of mine was raving about some of your mixes the other day. I gave them a listen... very nice stuff mate. Keep up the good work =) |
ah... thanks.... :) i'm glad you like my mixes.. |
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| hooj1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by CosmoKid
mp3s will sound terrible on a club system. you need to be playing .wav files or something similar. |
Um...no they don't. I play in a good sized club in Hollywood and have gone out to the dance floor to see if it sounded like crap, but it sounded good. mp3's just sound different, but thats all...nothing a few adjustments on the mixer can't take care of. And just to let you know most good clubs tune their sound systems to make vinyl sound its best, and if they did this for digital play back it would sound really good as well. By the way I only play 320kbps and up. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by hooj1
Um...no they don't. I play in a good sized club in Hollywood and have gone out to the dance floor to see if it sounded like crap, but it sounded good. mp3's just sound different, but thats all...nothing a few adjustments on the mixer can't take care of. And just to let you know most good clubs tune their sound systems to make vinyl sound its best, and if they did this for digital play back it would sound really good as well. By the way I only play 320kbps and up. |
Exactly...320kbps MP3's sound no different than a wav source, as long as it was encoded correctly, and if your buying the MP3, it should be. Yes you will have to make a few mixer adjustments when playing them beacause they will usually be louder than a vinyl source, and more vibrant I guess to describe it. Theres a lot of DJ's playing in clubs that should not be playing out...especially if they can't get their levels/EQ's right when bringing in an MP3 track while the analog track is played. |
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| DjJade |
^^ makes sense [thinking back to the comment about my ears hurting]
anyone had any experience with wma?
this is what i am getting from all my research..
city16: .wma @192kbps
edmdigital: .flac
all others: mp3@192 or 320kbps
how about mp4? beatport offers 192kbps vbr mp4
i know wma needs about half the bitrate of mp3 to be relatively equivalent
is there anything else i need to know?
looks like i may stick with .flac... seems like the best way to go even tho its expencive. still nothing compared to vinyl
this makes me wonder tho... all the services that stores have to offer seem pretty new. i know release uses itunes.... some other stores say they use "industry standard software" what ever that means...
call me picky but i really want to know how far these stores are going to ensure that the quality is being preserved as well as possible. this is very important to me, and i have a pretty good system so i CAN hear the difference.
maybe i will just have to buy some sample tracks and test this all myself |
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| DjJade |
ok found some answers and i will be posting becuase i think it is important as the digital format becomes more standardized...
from beatport forums:
Basically, WAV is an uncompressed format. mp3 and AAC (mp4 is based on AAC) are compressed formats, and are known as "lossy" encoders, meaning some of the original signal is lost during encoding. For this reason, some purists will not use them at all.
mp3 is a much older codec than AAC, and as a result is more mature. mp3 has been developed almost as much as it can be, so the quality achieved at a particular bit-rate, or for a given file-size, will never improve much compared to what you find now.
AAC is a younger codec, so still has room for improvement. That does not imply it is not good enough though. At the moment, to achieve a particular listening quality, AAC will require less bitrate than mp3 (which means less file size). On this point, it is generally accepted that BeatPort's mp3 and mp4 files are of equivalent quality.
As mentioned by Beatnik, mp3 bitrates of 192 or above are generally viewed as high enough quality. By the time you get to 320CBR, I think that it is almost impossible to spot the difference between that and the original WAV.
So, back to the main question. 320CBR mp3 are excellent for use in a club. Remember that club sound systems are expensive because they have huge power handling, not (generally) because they offer exceptional sound quality. And club systems are (in my experience) often pushed too hard, which can take the edge off the sound quality too.
from audiojelly forums:
128kbit has a servere audio cutoff at 15khz, 192kbit has a cut off around 18.5khz, 320kbit even higher.
for me though, i dont care how thigs sound in a club or whatever... its all about how it sounds to me... sorta hits on my overall philosophy towards doing whatevr i do... and also feeding my passion. i dont just play music for others, i play for myself too. and i collect music that i may not normally play for others. |
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