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| EvilTree |
| So I can't use 'Fiberals' or 'Con-servatives' or 'New Dummycrats'? |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
So I can't use 'Fiberals' or 'Con-servatives' or 'New Dummycrats'? |
LOL
I don't know what to really say to this. One of the good points brought up in this thread by Abercrombie is that each party does nothing better, but simply vie for votes through a comparison of others' blunders. Seems kind of weak.
Reading this whole separatist thread gave me shivers. I cannot believe that there is such a strong sentiment to saparatism. Or maybe this is just more misinformation and muddy-water questioning. I cannot believe that the mass populace of this country would be that stupid. |
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| pinkphantasm |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Separatism fought on two fronts
Even Clarity Act may not save Canada if Liberals win another election
By Licia Corbella -- Calgary Sun
Virtually every time Canada's near-brush with separation in 1995 is mentioned...... |
just fyi...The Calgary Sun is a tabloid newspaper written to be legible even for people without high-school educations. If you want to quote a Western newspaper with remote credibility try the Calgary Herald. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkphantasm
just fyi...The Calgary Sun is a tabloid newspaper written to be legible even for people without high-school educations. If you want to quote a Western newspaper with remote credibility try the Calgary Herald. |
A good point is a good point. Trashing the source regardless of how relevant they are to the topic at hand only means that you cannot come up with anything better to say against what the writer is stating. All these proves is that you have lost the debate.
The Calgary sun is indeed credible because they report facts just as the herald does. |
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| pinkphantasm |
| I'm actually not trashing the point. It's just that, as someone from Alberta, I understand the horrible reputation of that newspaper. If someone even admits to reading it they'll be teased for being white trash indefintiely. |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The Calgary sun is indeed credible because they report facts just as the herald does. |
Therefore a right wing publication that reports facts with a bias is just as credible as a left wing publication that reports facts with a bias.
Reading "facts" while ignoring their bias is pointless.
But alas the media is predominantly dominated by centre-left bias according to many right wing pundits. *yawn* :rolleyes: |
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| ChadVanDyk |
Separatism is alive and well in Alberta. Especially, among young, educated professionals who understand that Ottawa has no reverence or interest in understanding western issues. Take this basic analogy under consideration.
Let's say your family has always lived in the same house and moving is out of the question because it's the most beautiful, prosperous place on earth. Your house is in a neighborhood, and the neighborhood is governed by your neighbor, simply because he has the most children. The neighbor lives three doors down, yet he never visits, and rarely calls. This neighbor makes the rules for all the residents, while only consulting his wife and children, never considering your opinion. Then, for the priveledge of living in this neighborhood, and being under his rule, he asks you to give him a pile of money. In the beginning, you like the neighborhood, and want to be neighborly so you give him money year after year, putting up with neglect, stupid decisions and plain ignorance. After a while, you start to notice that the neighbor is irresponsibly wasting your money and giving your money to other neighbors who aren't being fiscally responsible. The next year the neighbor then comes to you and asks you for even more money. What would you do? I think it's only natural to contemplate the thought of halting the payment, putting up a fence, and telling the neighbor to go pound sand
I doubt separation will come to fruition in my lifetime, but please don't be naive and think that Albertans don't consider it. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Therefore a right wing publication that reports facts with a bias is just as credible as a left wing publication that reports facts with a bias.
Reading "facts" while ignoring their bias is pointless.
But alas the media is predominantly dominated by centre-left bias according to many right wing pundits. *yawn* :rolleyes: |
MOST of the bias comes from the positioning of headlines and the editorials. Not necissarly the articles themselves. |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
MOST of the bias comes from the articles themselves. Not necissarly the placement of headlines and choice of editorials. |
corrected.
How To Detect Bias In News Media |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wurm
Your argument's strength is diminished every time you use the word 'Lieberal'.
Make your point without name-calling.
Can't do it?
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It's done quite on purpose. I want to differentiate principled liberals from the corrupt Liberal Party. Honest liberals shouldn't be tainted by Chretien/Martin corruption and lies.
The Lieberal Party must be deregistered and refounded. The New Liberal Party (NLP) will be one that honest liberals can vote for without hesitation. |
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| ChadVanDyk |
Report on Business: Canadian
Oil: A new continental divide; CIBC predicts oil prices will create a gap in Canada's regional fortunes
PATRICK BRETHOUR
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20 December 2005
The Globe and Mail
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All material copyright Bell Globemedia Publishing Inc. or its licensors. All rights reserved.
CALGARY -- Welcome to the bowl-shaped economy, where the energy-rich provinces at either end of Canada zoom ahead of a sagging middle.
Projecting a major surge in oil and gas prices next year, CIBC World Markets Inc. is forecasting a yawning regional gap in economic growth in 2006, where there is a sharp divide between those provinces that have oil and gas sectors, and those that are merely victims of pricey crude. At one end of the country, Alberta, British Columbia and Saskatchewan will all outpace national economic growth, as will Newfoundland to the east. Everywhere in between — most definitively in Ontario — economic expansion will buckle under the combined weight of high energy prices, rising interest rates and a soaring dollar.
Alberta will be at the top of the bowl, with its economy expanding at more than double the national average — and nearly four times the rate of laggard Ontario, at the bottom. In the world that CIBC envisages, high energy prices are just the first domino in a series whose ultimate impact will be to transform the workings of the Canadian economy. Alberta would become a haven for money and workers fleeing the enfeebled economies of Ontario and Quebec. “People and capital will vote with their feet,” said CIBC World Markets chief economist Jeffrey Rubin.
He said Newfoundland, the poor cousin of Confederation, will find itself doubly blessed by both a major surge in energy royalties and timely concessions from the federal government that allow it to retain its equalization payments despite rising resource wealth. “It certainly challenges the notion of Newfoundland being a have-not province,” he said.
But it is in Alberta where the effects of high energy prices will be most obvious. Mr. Rubin is projecting that oil prices will jump to $70 (U.S.) a barrel next year, a 22-per-cent increase from current levels, with natural gas hitting $13 a million British thermal units. On that basis, Alberta's economic growth will soar to 7.1 per cent next year — and its budget surplus could more than double to touch $19-billion (Canadian).
The Alberta surplus would be the equivalent of a federal surplus of nearly $200-billion.
Such a flood of cash will give Alberta the ability, at least, to eliminate income taxes entirely, Mr. Rubin said.
There will be some tax cuts, he predicted, which will then exacerbate Central Canada's woes as Alberta attracts investment beyond the petroleum sector. “That's as much an economic wedge as high energy prices,” he said, raising the possibility of an exodus of corporate headquarters from Toronto to Calgary.
CIBC's call on prices is more aggressive than other forecasts. Toronto-Dominion Bank, by contrast, is predicting that crude will fall toward $50 (U.S.) a barrel next year, as the United States economy gears down.
But Craig Alexander, TD deputy chief economist, said his outlook is different only in degree. Even with $50 crude, Mr. Alexander said, Alberta will still rack up a budget surplus in the billions, and its economic growth of 3.6 per cent will still outpace Ontario's subpar performance of 2.7 per cent.
The gap between Alberta and the rest of the country holds further woe for Central Canada, according to Mr. Rubin. Inflationary pressures sparked by the rapid expansion of the province's oil sector will force the Bank of Canada to raise interest rates. The blunt instrument of interest rates will have relatively slight impact in Alberta, where it is most needed. But in Ontario, home to interest-sensitive industries such as banking, such hikes will add to the pain of rising energy prices. That is, Mr. Rubin said, a complete reversal from the late 1980s, when the inflationary bubble of Toronto real estate pushed the central bank to inflict high interest rates on the rest of the country. |
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| cyper |
Lets just F-ing separate & start the war between provinces already!
Then any survivors left after the Great Canadian War will join together & start a new country.
Which I like to call: Netherland Two :D |
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