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Wakestock in TO - Islanders aren't happy (pg. 2)
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| zoogla |
| I hope those Islandweebs enjoy DT's marathon on May 22!!! I hope they turn it up REAL LOUD at the Docks!!!! |
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| dEsidEL |
did anyone read the print version of this article ?? apparently their bitchin has been going on since something like 1968 !!
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| starsearcher |
| :haha::haha: :haha: :haha: GOOD! I'm glad noone's listening! |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
I hope those Islandweebs enjoy DT's marathon on May 22!!! I hope they turn it up REAL LOUD at the Docks!!!! |
FACKIN' EH!!!! |
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| ShadoWolf |
It's time to end the indirect subsidies to the champagne socialists on the islands. They lease their land at below market rates, yet they complain about noise from the Docks, the Island Airport, and now Wakestock.
But get this:
Lieberals Pay $35 Million to Kill Toronto Island Airport Bridge
http://www.canada.com/national/nati...12-5cbef241838f
Ottawa pays $35-million to abort bridge
By JENNIFER LEWINGTON
Wednesday, May 4, 2005 Page A1
TORONTO -- The federal government will pay the Toronto Port Authority $35-million in a legal settlement that definitively kills any chance of a bridge being built to the island airport.
In a statement yesterday, Transport Minister Jean Lapierre said the payment to the federal agency addresses the financial implications of not proceeding with the 122-metre bridge, including unspecified payments to third parties.
Mayor David Miller, whose 2003 election win was built in part on stopping the bridge, was elated by the surprise announcement.
"We are very pleased the federal government has honoured its commitment," the mayor said at a hastily called news conference.
Days before last year's federal election, the Liberal government issued draft regulations -- made official yesterday -- that prohibit construction of a fixed link to the port authority's money-losing airport.
But even with the settlement, expanded air service from downtown remains under active discussion.
That prospect is unlikely to sit well with local residents who have fought any moves by the TPA to add more than the current roster of four commercial flights a day between Toronto and Ottawa.
TPA president Lisa Raitt, who declined to spell out details of the legal settlement, said "we continue to discuss with Regco [Regional Airlines Co.] to come in as a base carrier."
Toronto businessman Robert Deluce, the president of Regco, had proposed a regional commuter airline to operate out of the downtown airport on the assumption that the port authority would build a $22-million bridge to connect from the foot of Bathurst Street to the small airport.
But even without the bridge, Mr. Deluce said last night that expanded air service is still in the cards.
"We don't have any specific plans to announce but it's no secret we have wanted to start a regional carrier and we continue to have talks with the TPA about the possibilities of doing that," he said.
"We will see if there is any reasonable way we can still provide a level of service from the airport," he said, adding that it is "premature" to say when a decision will be made.
However, Mr. Miller expressed concern over possible expansion of the downtown airport, which last year lost $1-million.
"The city was very clear, the people of Toronto have said they don't want an expanded busy commercial airport on the waterfront," Mr. Miller said. "A busy commercial airport is an industrial use that doesn't have a part in a revitalized waterfront."
Federal Immigration Minister Joe Volpe, the Liberals' political minister for Toronto, said news of the settlement shows "the federal government keeps its word.
"The people asked us not to have the fixed link built and we agreed -- and we delivered," he said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. "I don't know what else people could ask."
In late 2003, shortly after taking office, Mr. Miller won support from city council to reverse its support for construction of the bridge. While Mr. Miller maintained that the city was never at any financial risk for changing its mind, Mr. Deluce threatened a $505-million lawsuit that never moved ahead in the courts.
Yesterday, Mr. Deluce said "our issue in terms of the lawsuit has been dealt with," but declined to go into specifics about the financial settlement announced by Mr. Lapierre.
In the press release, the minister stated that the settlement reached between Ottawa and the port authority "stipulates that the authority will grant a full and final release to the government of Canada and obtain similar releases from the affected third parties."
Though unnamed, they are Mr. Deluce, Aecon Construction (which had began partial work toward construction of the bridge in 2003) and Stolport Corp., an aircraft-handling and airport-service business that operates out of the island airport.
Yup, that's right... the Lieberals just spent $35 million as a legal settlement to cancel a $22 million bridge - a bridge which would have been useful, but was opposed by the islanders. That's what I call Lieberal Math. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Yup, that's right... the Lieberals just spent $35 million as a legal settlement to cancel a $22 million bridge - a bridge which would have been useful, but was opposed by the islanders. That's what I call Lieberal Math. |
My best friend's family owns a transportation business on the Centre Island so I was supporting the bridge at first. Furthermore the #s you point out make absolute financial sense. However, since Bob Hunter's passing, I see that perhaps the already polluted waterfront may possibly be revitalized one day. Certainly a commercial airport would NOT help that...it would only contribute to more smog...so I'd say kudos to Miller and the Liberals for that.:toocool: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
My best friend's family owns a transportation business on the Centre Island so I was supporting the bridge at first. Furthermore the #s you point out make absolute financial sense. However, since Bob Hunter's passing, I see that perhaps the already polluted waterfront may possibly be revitalized one day. Certainly a commercial airport would NOT help that...it would only contribute to more smog...so I'd say kudos to Miller and the Liberals for that.:toocool: |
1. Ferries produce a great deal of pollution.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...09/NEWS3730.dtl
| quote: | | Diesel powered ferries emit 10 times more air pollution per passenger-mile than automobiles and 23 times more than transit buses, |
2. The airplanes take off and land in such a way that they minimize the noise and pollution in the city.
3. People who would have flown out of Toronto will now have to drive out, increasing the amount of traffic, and thereby increasing the amount of pollution in the air from cars. |
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| starsearcher |
I personally want a bridge!...sure I'd love to pay $6.5 for a ferry when I can just cross the bridge for free :rolleyes:
And I don't buy the commercial airprot BS either...that wouldn't have happened, maybe a little more planes would have been flying but other than that...no changes...It was all about money and getting the votes for Miller |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
1. Ferries produce a great deal of pollution.
2. The airplanes take off and land in such a way that they minimize the noise and pollution in the city.
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They may "minimize" pollution but I'd bet anything that a fully functioning airport taking flights from the US (as it was planned) would create more pollution than the ferries.
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
3. People who would have flown out of Toronto will now have to drive out, increasing the amount of traffic, and thereby increasing the amount of pollution in the air from cars.
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Why can't they take trains/buses/other forms of transport? And still can't compare air pollution of cars vs. planes! |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Yup, that's right... the Lieberals just spent $35 million as a legal settlement to cancel a $22 million bridge - a bridge which would have been useful, but was opposed by the islanders. That's what I call Lieberal Math. |
Yep that is the price sometimes that is paid when people/parties rush into these ventures too fast - without enough thought about ALL the varied interests at hand - we knew there would be a price for this cancellation - thank GOD it was not the aforementioned 505 million dollars that was being thrown around before......I dont see how this article has anything to do with the noise complaints from Toronto Island residents....it was not just the decision of the residents that killed the bridge deal.....what makes you think that the CONSERVATIVES will do any better when in POWER?????
Sometimes these issues should be saved for the polical forums in the TA website no??? And some of these CONSERVATIVE opinionated people on this forum should Join the Young PC party (if under 25) and actually try to accomplish something good for THEIR party instead of playing the Elephant/Mouse - blame game.....it becomes tiring very quickly.....ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES have their own agenda - YOU PERSONALLY have the ability to affect change locally and in your immediate lives - EXCERSISE this right....and leave the propaganda to this spindoctors and newspapers......unless you are part of the solution....you are just as much a part of the problem.......:sadgreen:
Problem is that the LIBERALS bathroom is public - everyone can smell the they take.....for the other parties the bathrooms are much more private.... the only they smell is their own....until the microscope is placed upon them......we can only imagine the stench that emanates from deep within the bowels of the Conservative Party!!! WE NEED TO MAKE THIS MINORITY GOVERNMENT work for Christ sake - spending another 250 million in a June election that most people do not want - is not the answer - just to prove a point that we can punish Martin's government - Canadians will only lose again - with another minority Gov (possibly PC) - we will not be any further ahead - just stuck in the same mess we are now - but with less co-operation - because of a forced election. I do hope Harper (s himself) over this tango with the Canadian public....it will look good on him....Belinda may be right after all!! |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
They may "minimize" pollution but I'd bet anything that a fully functioning airport taking flights from the US (as it was planned) would create more pollution than the ferries. |
You're mixing two different issues: ferry v. fixed link, and current airport capacity v. expansion. While building the fixed link would have made expansion easier, it wouldn't have made it certain, even likely. There's nothing preventing that expansion even today. Air Canada already has daily flights out of the airport.
Didn't Ferry Corsten take a helicopter from Guv to the island airport in order to fly to Montreal to DJ the same night? Even Ferry didn't take the ferry!
| quote: | | Why can't they take trains/buses/other forms of transport? And still can't compare air pollution of cars vs. planes! |
If you need to get to Ottawa in a hurry, you're not going to take a bus. A train is an option, but that also takes 4.5 hours versus 1 with a plane. Time is money, especially for that segment.
It'd be interesting to compare the pollution from a plane (executive sized, like a Bombardier) to the pollution from 50 cars (that each passanger in the plane would have taken). |
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| zoogla |
Didn't want to beat this to death with you but..
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You're mixing two different issues: ferry v. fixed link, and current airport capacity v. expansion. While building the fixed link would have made expansion easier, it wouldn't have made it certain, even likely. There's nothing preventing that expansion even today. Air Canada already has daily flights out of the airport. |
Airport expansion is pretty much out of question now with the fixed link issue being canned. This is not something I mixed, but what the media has been talking about from day one. Fixed link meant easier access to airport which meant investment in more flights/expansion is justified. Without the first (fixed link) the rest do not follow in a justifiable business plan.
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
If you need to get to Ottawa in a hurry, you're not going to take a bus. A train is an option, but that also takes 4.5 hours versus 1 with a plane. Time is money, especially for that segment.
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Yeah but you said they'd take a car instead of flying now that the fixed link was canned; were you proposing they'd take a car to go to Ottawa? I'm sure you meant they'd take a car to Pearson instead; well they would've had to take that same car to get to the Centre Island for their flight so I don't see your point. |
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