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Opposition wins no confidence vote but arrogant Liberals defy will of parliament (pg. 2)
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
okay... but we're keeping our money. get your own currency and off :P |
do we get to keep our transfer payments too ? :toothless
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
and we keep our ressuorces...
a new study showed that quebec would win 5 billion if we would seperate....
your money bro
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Not quite.. quebec would have to pay us for all the government property in Quebec as well as it's share of the national debt. You would also have to set up your own infrastructure such as currency, military and postal services for example. You guys would lose big time. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
I would just like to point out that the topic title is misleading. It was NOT a confidence vote.
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There was a motion in the bill calling for the government to resign and it passed. That sounds like a vote of non confidence to me. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
There was a motion in the bill calling for the government to resign and it passed. That sounds like a vote of non confidence to me. |
The motion was calling for a house commitee to recommend that the government resign. That is not a non-confidence vote (please read the constitution for further information on this). A confidence vote is a vote on a confidence issue such as the budget or a motion of non-confidence (which will be able to be brought by the opposition toward the end of the month when the opposition is invited to table motions).
This was, however, great politicing on the part of the conservatives. They were stuck in a very tough spot.... either they vote down the budget, a budget which is supported by the majority of Canadians, thereby facing an election with the budget as a central issue, OR they pass the budget, a budget that goes against much of their policy and is viewed negatively by many of their supporters, and bring a non-confidence motion at the end of the month. Not an easy position to be in. Good for them in finding a third option... bring this motion requesting a commitee recommend the government be disolved and then claim the government is ignoring the will of parliament when they refuse to resign. If they can spin this successfully it will be a great move. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
and we keep our ressuorces...
a new study showed that quebec would win 5 billion if we would seperate....
your money bro
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Sorry Louis but as its been stated here and reported in various newspapers, Quebec would fall into a deep recession because of the massive amount of debt because it would have to pay its share of the National debt and recieve NO MORE transfer payments:sadgreen:, etc...
I would hope that if Quebec does go then all the TA's would get special passports to come & party in Montreal:crazy: |
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| starsearcher |
To be quite honest with you I'm starting to hate the Conservatives now too...what the hell was Harper blabbing about on tv the other day? Hist comments seem more and more rediculous every time he opens his mouth.
Screw them all I don't even care who wins they're all same anyway I don't really see how anything will change. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The motion was calling for a house commitee to recommend that the government resign. That is not a non-confidence vote (please read the constitution for further information on this). A confidence vote is a vote on a confidence issue such as the budget or a motion of non-confidence (which will be able to be brought by the opposition toward the end of the month when the opposition is invited to table motions).
This was, however, great politicing on the part of the conservatives. They were stuck in a very tough spot.... either they vote down the budget, a budget which is supported by the majority of Canadians, thereby facing an election with the budget as a central issue, OR they pass the budget, a budget that goes against much of their policy and is viewed negatively by many of their supporters, and bring a non-confidence motion at the end of the month. Not an easy position to be in. Good for them in finding a third option... bring this motion requesting a commitee recommend the government be disolved and then claim the government is ignoring the will of parliament when they refuse to resign. If they can spin this successfully it will be a great move. |
Who says that this budget is supported by the majority of Canadians?
As far as what you are saying. You are correct technically speaking however in reality it still is a demonstration of non confidence put to the vote. By stalling now the only ones who look bad are the Liberals. They are openly defying the will of parliament. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
To be quite honest with you I'm starting to hate the Conservatives now too...what the hell was Harper blabbing about on tv the other day? Hist comments seem more and more rediculous every time he opens his mouth.
Screw them all I don't even care who wins they're all same anyway I don't really see how anything will change. |
They are all the same... The difference is that some have already committed the crime. And those who commit the crime should be punished. I trust the Conservatives a little more than the Fiberals at this point. Give the Conservatives a term and if they up then boot them out. Thats how a healthy democracy should work. The reason the Liberals are so corrupt is because they believe no matter what they do they will always be returned to office. And seemingly they are right on the money. So where is the incentive to clean up their act?
Chretien even went so far as to arrogantly say that the Liberals are "Canada's natural governing party". This is why suddenly in the past 3 weeks the Liberals have done more governing than in the past 13. Only when they are life support do they spring into action. And its mostly empty promises anyways because all these grand schemes will die on the house floor when the election is called. And knowing Canadians, we will forget about them after the next election anyways and it will be back to "dont worry be happy" governing while our pockets get raped.
Name me any other country and i can promise you that if:
a) the government stole money
b) the government was asked to resign by a majority of politicians and refused
that the streets would be on fire today.
Im not asking for violence but we should at least show these guys that we arent going to be sheep any longer...
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" - Edward R Murrow |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
and we keep our ressuorces...
a new study showed that quebec would win 5 billion if we would seperate....
your money bro
hehe |
We'll keep the native lands (read: hydro electricity) with Canada.
Mirroring the sentiments of most Canadians, I want my government to get back to work. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Who says that this budget is supported by the majority of Canadians?
As far as what you are saying. You are correct technically speaking however in reality it still is a demonstration of non confidence put to the vote. By stalling now the only ones who look bad are the Liberals. They are openly defying the will of parliament. |
Quite honestly, I cannot back up the assertation that most Canadians support this budget, however, I can advise that many political analysts believe this to be true.
I agree that the Liberals look bad by stating that they will not recognize this motion as a confidence matter, however, trying to backhandedly get the government to resign makes the Conservatives look impatient and desperate to avoid the budget vote. Neither party comes off looking good in this. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by amb_
We'll keep the native lands (read: hydro electricity) with Canada. |
Not to mention the gold, uranium, and lumber.
The Cree indians have already signled their intention to cede from Quebec and seek admission into confederation if Quebec cedes from Canada. The Cree Indians own almost 2/3 of Quebec. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
To be quite honest with you I'm starting to hate the Conservatives now too...what the hell was Harper blabbing about on tv the other day? Hist comments seem more and more rediculous every time he opens his mouth.
Screw them all I don't even care who wins they're all same anyway I don't really see how anything will change. |
What you're seeing now is a power-hungry, opportunistic Stephen Harper...as with the previous elections, his true colours shine through at the last moment. He's smelling "victory" and will now do ANYTHING he can to topple the government as quickly as possible, even though a majority of Canadians do not want an election now.
So this is NOT about the wishes of the people...this is about Harper seeking power (which is his perogative). I'm tired of Harper rambling on about "democracy", the will of the people, blah blah...when he's ignoring our wishes that we don't want an election right now. He's at least equally as "undemocratic" as he's painting the Martin administration as being by blocking their motions.
I stand by my previous prediction...slim Liberal win, NDP makes signficant gains, Conservatives don't see the gains they expected, but remain the official opposition.
The difference, I think (and hope), this time is that the NDP will gain enough seats to work with the Liberals and we'll be done with Stephen Harper as the main power broker in the legislature (which is what I had hoped would come of the last election). |
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