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The Absence of Women in Political Discussions (pg. 3)
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| tathi |
| politics is just gossip about the world stage ;) |
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| ONION |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
politics is just gossip about the world stage ;) |
noob :c |
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| Subey |
| 42% in Norway eh! Damn you Norway! Damn your Trolls, and mostly damn your internet country code! |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by ONION
noob :c |
wtf are you doing here? get back on ITM :D |
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| Smeagol |
| quote: | % Women %Men
EU 23 77
Denmark 43 57
Norway 42 58
Finland 39 61
Sweden 37 63
Netherlands 36 64
Iceland 33 67
United Kingdom 32 68
France 29 71
Luxembourg 29 71
Germany 27 73
Austria 24 76
Belgium 22 78
Ireland 22 78
Liechtenstein 20 80
Spain 18 82
Greece 13 87
Italy 9 91
Portugal 8 92 |
that is almost exactly a list from north to south!! Have to more than coincidence. Any theories to why we have more women in politics in the north? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Smeagol
that is almost exactly a list from north to south!! Have to more than coincidence. Any theories to why we have more women in politics in the north? |
Cos the one's in the south are all busy gettin a sun tan? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Smeagol
that is almost exactly a list from north to south!! Have to more than coincidence. Any theories to why we have more women in politics in the north? |
Interesting point, but it definetly has to do with our different cultures and views on women. The question is just why are southern ppl more conservative when it comes to that than northern ppl? |
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| trancaholic |
| ^^^^ Centuries of Catholicism, I guess. |
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| Itarillė |
| quote: | Originally posted by kush paintings
I brought this up a couple of weeks ago in the chillout thread, but belive that it warrants a better discussion. I frequent the political crossfire forums, which I highly recommend, and I have noticed that there are very few women there. As we all know, there are very few women in here, PDD. So I ask, why is this? I am genuinely worried. I go to a very good college, where even the idiots are smart. However, I have noticed that my male friends have far more intriguing discussions about politics, philosophy, etc. While my female friends are capable of talking about these subjects, the never bring them up. When we are all together, the females usually do not have much to say, although I know they are smart enough to contribute. Can someone please explain this to me, preferably a female? |
i agree with dervish on the part of not wanting to deal with confrontation, i also agree with you on the part that a good number of females in general do have a level of, shall we say, "comfort" in discussing other things, i.e gossip, clothing, men, etc etc...
for my .02, i'm only speaking on my own behalf, not for the majourity of the females because i'll never know how many tails i'll step on if i do... as stated on my post on the political chill out thread, i'm skittish when it comes to confrontation but besides that, i also feel that unless i have a solid understanding and a good knowledge of the facts regarding the topic at hand, i don't feel i should even be trying to contribute to the discussion/debate and waste everyone's time listening to me jabber mindlessly... however, that doesn't mean that i cannot sit/lurk and listen/read what everyone has to say and slowly learn and pick up on what is going on... :D
i do hope to be able to muster up the gumption to put in my .02 on some political throwdowns soon... |
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| Renegade |
I think when asking questions like this, you have to look at internet demographics. Fact is, unless the forum is specifically aimed at women, there is going to me a much higher ratio of men posting there than women (and - without having any facts to back this up - you're basically looking at ratios of 4:1 plus. I would wage that any general interest forum, such as this one, will have a male to female ratio approaching that sort of level). I don't know why this is (maybe females have, you know, real lives to worry about :p) but the internet and internet forums are still primarily the domain of the male.
As for why there aren't many women in governments, part of the reason has to do with the generation that many politicians grew up in (most high-ranking politicians are, after-all, in their 50s or older). This was the pre-feminist age, where "gender-roles" were still fairly pronounced and where politics, I'm sure, was seen as a primarily masculine pursuit. If this is true then it should be the expectation that the ratios will even out over the next 20 or so years.
Another reason for the absence of women may have to do with the fact that many of the mechanics of politics in themselves simply don't appeal to women. Much of politics has to do with the Machiavellian pursuit of power and the encorporation of the concept of realpolitik once this power is acheived (that is, the concept of politics as an end in itself rather than a means to an end) and women, for whatever reason, simply (and rightly to a large extent) do not find these methods of power-brokering to be appealing. Women, you will find, are more commonly found in less populist parties (where the cut-throat desire to obtain and consolidate power is less pronounced - 3 of the 4 last leaders of the party I support, for instance, have been women) and in grass-roots campaigns, perhaps, for this very reason.
As for why you don't meet many women in "real-life" who are into politics? Well, I think political apathy is a common trait of all members of the human race and it most certainly isn't confined to a specific gender. I can think of precisely 0 females I know that are particularly into politics and precisely 1 male. No matter which way you look at it, it's just a fact of life that a very small number of people you meet are going to be interested in talking about politics (in fact, my last relationship, now that I think about it, began to die on its arse at about the point where I brought up last years Australian election, passively asking who she was considering voting for, and she replied "I don't know, I don't really watch the news..." :o ).
So, I don't know. There are a lot of reasons why women don't seem to be that interested in politics and I don't think it's possible to give a single, simple answer.
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
^^^^ Centuries of Catholicism, I guess. |
I was originally going to laugh at that, but you seem to be onto something. 5 of the last 6 ranking nations on that table are predominantly Catholic (I had to google Liechtenstein, but, sure enough, it's 80% Roman Catholic) and the highest-ranking traditionally Catholic nation there is France, which is predominantly secular these days anyway. I think it's a given that nations with a conservative ethos will be bigger on well-defined gender-roles and the subjugation of women that those with a more progressive ethos and given that Catholicism has an undeniably conservative slant to its philosophies, this may very well explain the lack of women in the parliaments of Catholic nations. |
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| h0tsweetbabyd0l |
i agree with you renegade
anyways i think in southern countries people are more conservative than in the north u can see how the progresses they made in the fields of researches bio technologies and women and the power
i hope it will change and that the women will get more implicated in the politics but u have to take into account that most of the women prefer aswell to raise a family and it takes time ....when a man will be focused on the researche of the power on the contrary the woman may prefer to have stability security and a family so it has to do with differents aspirations not the same goals ....a politic career is particular and you have to be strong and women may not support such a pressure but i dunno there are exceptions of course |
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| squirrelly |
| I used to post in here on a daily basis under my old handle. Since then however, life has taken such a hold on me that I find it difficult to sit online longer than just enough time to browse (not even respond) to emails. However, I am fortunate enough to have a few friends which I meet up with to discuss political matters (usually over coffee) from time to time. And yes, they are mostly men, for women seem to find it uncomfortable to discuss such things. If it has been a while though since my last rant, I feel sorry for the victims ears, because I will talk them off. |
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