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Can't beat-match with Traktor DJ Studio (pg. 3)
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| gEaK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Lust
Just press auto sync and your done. Not hard. |
Please read my post :rolleyes: |
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| Rockabye |
beatmatching with traktor -> use a beatgrid for every track. it's makes beatmatching much easier but not perfect. you still have to pitch bend a lot if you make long transitions.
I have a lot of respect for CD/vinyl DJs and Traktor is no alternative to that.
But the only difference between vinyl and traktor mixing is, that you have to beatmatch not so much.
But to make good transitions you have to do the cueing, eqing and fading all by yourself, and that is the creative aspect of a transition. Because of the beatmatching-help you can much more focus on that.
Even if the program beatmatches for you, how you make the transitions, which tracks you use etc. is still all in your hands.
Creatively someone who mixes with traktor is not less or more worth than a mixer with vinyl.
If you can't make good transitions with vinyl you couldn't make good ones with traktor and vice versa! |
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| Benjamin B |
In my experience with both Traktor and CDJ's, I'd say that beatmatching takes the same skill level. The cue and jog features on the cdjs make it much easier in relation to vinyl. Traktor has the same features, except the kicker is the infamous "Auto-Sync" button, which rarely works as intented and serves as a waste of virtual space. The looping in Traktor is much more fun to play with: the cue/active can be manually set (as in cdjs) or set to repeat for 1/2/4/8/etc loops, which makes for very fun mixes.
To say that someone can make a cohesive and perfectly beatmatched set by pushing the 'auto-sync' button is a rediculous claim, but understandable when you realize that these claims may be coming from people that have limited experience with said tools.
There is definitely an advanced level of skill involved with DJ'ing vinyl (and of course using an fx machine for looping/sampling), which always demands a certain level of respect in terms of skill, but there are more skills to mixing than beatmatching, and it's really up to each of us to determine what makes a dj enjoyable for us to listen to. Is it really his ability to beatmatch/mix with vinyl or his ability to create fresh mixes utilizing all tools available, or something else?
Who knows, but please consider asking yourself this before you attempt to condescend those around you for trying to enjoy music and their attempts to share that same love that you might have for it.
Use Vinyl, CD's, Mp3's, Traktor, Ableton, and what the hell ever else. If it turns out good, then it's good music regardless. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin B
To say that someone can make a cohesive and perfectly beatmatched set by pushing the 'auto-sync' button is a rediculous claim, but understandable when you realize that these claims may be coming from people that have limited experience with said tools.
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no but it sure makes it a hell of a lot easier. you click the auto sync button and it snaps it to time. sure it'll drift a little bit in one direction or the other- then you just pitch bend up or down until you figure out which way it's going out of sync. increase or decrease the bpm of the incoming track and voila, a traktor mix. seriously, a monkey could use traktor. the only skill you need to know using traktor is when to drop the track. and that's not really a skill, it's just knowing the tunes. so... to summarize, the traktor mix is four easy steps with the click of a mouse button.
1. auto-sync.
2. pitch bend/correct.
3. adjust bpm.
4. re-cue and wait for the right time to drop it.
this all takes about five seconds. traktor is a joke.
edit - and i'm guessing the people who claim that someone can "make a cohesive and perfectly beatmatched set by pushing the 'auto-sync' button" know the program well, and that's why they give no credit to others who depend on it. |
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| Rockabye |
1 more time:
Only difference between Traktor and Vinyl -> on traktor the beat-matching is a lot easier.
But a perfect beat-match doesn't make the entire mix perfect!
I think that people who argue about traktor and talk so much about beat-matching, doesn't even know what eqing means.
They think they can beat-match and now they have the right to tell who is a good dj and whos not.
Come on people, are you jealous because Traktor-DJs can focus more on the creative (the important!!!) aspect of the mix and you are still troubeling with the beat-match?
I think Traktor is a perfect start into djing. You can learn the mixing (not beat-matching) perfectly. And when I go out and buy decks or cd players I allready know how to make a good transition. Then I only have to learn beat-matching.
The other way -> you have to focus all on beat-matching to learn djing, there is no time for the creative (important!!!) aspect of the mix.
And in the end -> someone started DJing with traktor and than changes to vinyl will in most cases be a better DJ than someone who started with vinyl...
Well of course that only my opinion and I think those beat-matching-fanatics have their own. |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
no but it sure makes it a hell of a lot easier. you click the auto sync button and it snaps it to time. sure it'll drift a little bit in one direction or the other- then you just pitch bend up or down until you figure out which way it's going out of sync. increase or decrease the bpm of the incoming track and voila, a traktor mix. seriously, a monkey could use traktor. the only skill you need to know using traktor is when to drop the track. and that's not really a skill, it's just knowing the tunes. so... to summarize, the traktor mix is four easy steps with the click of a mouse button.
1. auto-sync.
2. pitch bend/correct.
3. adjust bpm.
4. re-cue and wait for the right time to drop it.
this all takes about five seconds. traktor is a joke.
edit - and i'm guessing the people who claim that someone can "make a cohesive and perfectly beatmatched set by pushing the 'auto-sync' button" know the program well, and that's why they give no credit to others who depend on it. |
ok, so you mean its easy to dj with traktor, this means that Djing its about beatmatching, then if you learn to beatmatch with cdj's or vinyl you will be the next superstar DJ.
Djing its not only about beatmatching, you need to be creative to create a journey.
There are alot of "Professional Vinyl Beat-Matchers", that keeps the crowd bored to hell.
and same if yo uuse Traktor, but you have no creativity , you have no talent.
of course that mixing with vinyls it'r harder than mixingg with traktor beacsue of beatrmatching, and i'm sure someone who mix with traktor, and havent mixed with vinyls, will take months for learning to beatmatch with vinyl, but when you achieve the beat-matching then comes the most important thing of Djing, your mixing style and track-selection, wich will make the crowd keep dancing and happy.
I Mean Paul Van Dyk uses Final scracth, wich is compatible with traktor, and the beatmatching its easier than doing it with conventional vinyl decks, but not everyone in the world who knows to beatmatch can keep a crowd so happy as he do.
People dont care what you use , if you play good music and make them feel good. |
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| ESMdjm600 |
| wait a sec, if u got a denon x1500 and two techs, and u wanted to see wat the program was like, i can understand that, y would u be auto bpm'n with traktor... just sounds odd to me.... i mean, i messed up my stylus the other day, so im probably gonna try pcdj until i get another stylus, but im not gonna start auto bpm'n, i dont see how u can go from beatmatching (even if just learning to)to doin that, wouldnt beat matching on it be part of seein how it was? |
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| Mark |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
i'm sure someone who mix with traktor, and havent mixed with vinyls, will take months for learning to beatmatch with vinyl
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it took me a little over 10 days to make the conversion. of course it takes longer to perfect it. :D
| quote: | | I Mean Paul Van Dyk uses Final scracth, wich is compatible with traktor, and the beatmatching its easier than doing it with conventional vinyl decks, but not everyone in the world who knows to beatmatch can keep a crowd so happy as he do. |
actually, not really. i don't think there is a bpm counter on the traktor software associated with final scratch. i don't ever recall seeing one when i mix at my friend's house. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
ok, so you mean its easy to dj with traktor, this means that Djing its about beatmatching, then if you learn to beatmatch with cdj's or vinyl you will be the next superstar DJ.
I Mean Paul Van Dyk uses Final scracth, wich is compatible with traktor, and the beatmatching its easier than doing it with conventional vinyl decks, but not everyone in the world who knows to beatmatch can keep a crowd so happy as he do.
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well... NO. i would say half of mixing is beatmatching, while the other half of it is eq'ing and technical skill. once again, traktor makes mixing simple. why? because it completely obliterates half of the challenge of mixing- beatmatching. you're putting words in my mouth when you get defensive and start making wild claims like that. my previous post only described the simplicity of mixing with a program such as traktor.
i'm not saying traktor doesn't have it's uses. like i said before, it's got great uses especially for three deck mixing. i usually use traktor as a tool to figure out good cue points for two tracks (since it is quicker and easier to mix the same incoming track over and over again, just dropping it 8 measures earlier or whatever)
however, and i shouldn't have to reiterate this anymore- anyone who would seriously use ONLY traktor in a professional environment to mix is a joke.
...and, you're wrong about paul van dyk. he uses final scratch, which is controlled by... you guessed it, two turntables. so no, it isn't traktor. he cues the tracks up with the vinyl. he beatmatches the tracks with the vinyl. he drops the tracks with the vinyl. |
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| Pinokio |
You might be rightin some points Omega
I just don't think thatsomeone who uses traktor and made a wonderful mix have no talent,
however, I use it for bedroom, but fo rlive i wouldnt like to use it, just doesnt seem the right way, i would prefer to use cdj's or Vinyl.
I didn't wanted ot be offensive to nay of you in my last post, just want to give my opinion, i think we cna learn from eahc other in here
see ya
thanks.. |
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| tvmann |
You must really be afraid of something to be making insulting comments like that, directed at people who use new technology.
There's plenty of people who are using the same old-school equipment as everyone else. So you should be happy there are a few individuals with the guts to try something different.
BTW the latest releases of Traktor and Final Scratch are exactly the same software.
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however, and i shouldn't have to reiterate this anymore- anyone who would seriously use ONLY traktor in a professional environment to mix is a joke.
...and, you're wrong about paul van dyk. he uses final scratch, which is controlled by... you guessed it, two turntables. so no, it isn't traktor. he cues the tracks up with the vinyl. he beatmatches the tracks with the vinyl. he drops the tracks with the vinyl. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
You might be rightin some points Omega
I just don't think thatsomeone who uses traktor and made a wonderful mix have no talent,
however, I use it for bedroom, but fo rlive i wouldnt like to use it, just doesnt seem the right way, i would prefer to use cdj's or Vinyl.
I didn't wanted ot be offensive to nay of you in my last post, just want to give my opinion, i think we cna learn from eahc other in here
see ya
thanks.. |
yeah i see i must've came off as a jackass there. my bad.
and yes, tvmann, i'm absolutely TERRIFIED of traktor.
and did i say that traktor and final scratch were two different programs?... no... i said final scratch is "controlled by... you guessed it, two turntables." sorry if you misunderstood :rolleyes: |
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