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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
that doesn't matter for me, my grandfather left the house at 16 years to go in the armies of Général de Gaulle in 1940 to fight the Nazism.
Btw he released Paris and finished the WW2 in Berchtesgaden.
all the frenchies are not fascists. ;) |
French behaviour during D-Day was shameful. :rolleyes:
177 French troops participated.
Just 177.
250,000 soldiers died.
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
French behaviour during D-Day was shameful. :rolleyes:
177 French troops participated.
Just 177.
250,000 Allied soldiers died.
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| quote: | All (undifferentiated):
* Wallechinsky: 595,000
* Messenger: 600,000 |
French Deaths During ww2 (civ included)
| quote: | All (undifferentiated):
* Messenger: 300,000 |
United States Deaths During ww2 (civ included)
>LINK<
How about you shut your hate filled mouth?
EDIT: Also...
| quote: | Total:
* Keegan: 1M
* Eckhardt: 1.4M
* Wallechinsky: 1.5M
* Britannica: 1.505M
* Davies: 1.505M
* Encarta: 1.6M
* Messenger: 1.6M
* Urlanis: 1.7M
* HarperCollins: 1.7M
* Ellis: 1.7M
* MEDIAN: 1.55M |
Yugoslavia..... you even know what side they were on history boy? |
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| ShadoWolf |
I'm not saying French civilians didn't die or suffer - they did.
But De Gaulle spurned the Allies when it came time to actually rid France of the Germans.
British, Canadian, American, even Polish and others fought and died... not French.
"France has no friends, only interests."
:whip: :whip: :whip:
Then how did De Gaulle repay Britain for her sacrifices? Denied EEC membership! :whip: :whip:
Then he took France out of NATO while we were facing a threat from the USSR!!
Then there was the infamous 1967 Quebec speech in which he stabbed Canada in the back!!! |
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| Dervish |
Where is your source for that large quote there (in full context too)?
Also you said French behaviour (de Gaulle is one man not a nation), but to be honest it wasn't 100% aimed at you just pisses me off when I see people genralising and the stupid french hating "we saved you" attitude of some people. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | De Gaulle also visited London but when he returned to France on 16th June he discovered the Henri-Philippe Petain had ousted Paul Reynaud as premier and was forming a government that would seek an armistice with Germany. In danger of being arrested by the new French government, de Gaulle returned to England. The following day he made a radio broadcast calling for French people to continue fighting against the German Army.
Whereas as President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the USA recognized Vichy France Winston Churchill refused and backed de Gaulle as leader of the "Free French". Henri-Philippe Petain responded by denouncing de Gaulle. On 4th July, 1940, a court-martial in Toulouse sentenced him in absentia to four years in prison. At a second court-martial on 2nd August, 1940, sentenced him to death.
De Gaulle made attempts to unify the resistance movements in France. In March 1943 Jean Moulin, Charles Delestraint and Andre Dewavrin managed to unite eight major resistance movements under de Gaulle's leadership. However, this good work was undermined when in June, 1943, both Delestraint and Moulin were both arrested by the Gestapo. |
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So your saying the man who united the resistance is to blame for the lack of French soliders during D-Day?
I don't have any proof yet, but I suspect that quote was from when he was sentenced to death in referance to the government at the time. Possible? |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
French behaviour during D-Day was shameful. :rolleyes:
177 French troops participated.
Just 177.
250,000 soldiers died. |
And how many Italian troops participated in the war? Umm, wait, they did participate it's just that they were fighting on the wrong side! :eek: |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
If all you Americans are going to be like that you can just go ahead and give them back the Statue of Liberty. :p |
We would prefer to give them the U.N. instead. I've always professed since the day I joined this thread that the U.N. needs to be based in Paris, France. A fitting place for a worthless organization in the home of a worthless political society.
:p
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| Dervish |
Come on look for common ground be a lover not a hater....... I bet you like french fries :p
Don't get me wrong right now I'm not their biggest fan, i.e. ing up the EU constitution for gay reasons (gotta realise it was close though only 55% of them were diddys and a percentage of that would have done it for real reasons).
But denegrating a nation so often and taking the piss out of its military when so many people died is not fun. And it seems like people have started beliving their own bull (not just hear but all the anti-French stuff).
Is anyone here seriously going to tell me, having seen thouse figures, that the french didn't bear a hell of a burden in WW2? |
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| Dervish |
Also the perception that there were far more American deaths (similar military) than British is another rumour, us getting "bailed out" too apparently (UK pop. 50-60mil, USA what 250mil more?).
| quote: | United Kingdom
* Military:
o Keegan: 244,000
o Britannica: 264,443 (incl. missing)
o Davies: 264,443
o Small & Singer: 270,000
o HarperCollins: 271,311
o Urlanis: 290,000
o Ellis: 305,800
o Eckhardt: 350,000
o Compton's: 353,652 (British Empire)
o Info. Please: 357,116 (all causes)
* Civilian:
o Keegan: 60,000 (bombing)
o Urlanis: 60,000
o HarperCollins: 60,595
o Ellis: 60,600
o Britannica: 92,673 (incl. 30,248 merchant mariners and 60,595 killed by bombing)
o Davies: 92,673
o Eckhardt: 100,000
* All (undifferentiated):
o Messenger: 400,000
o Wallechinsky: 495,000
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# United States of America
* Military:
o Keegan: 292,000
o HarperCollins: 292,100
o Britannica: 292,131 (not incl. 115,187 non-battle)
o Compton's: 293,986
o Urlanis: 300,000
o Info. Please: 291,557 KIA + 113,842 other causes = 405,399
o DoD: 291,557 KIA + 113,842 other = 405,399
o Ellis: 405,400
o Encarta: 292,131 KIA + 115,187 other causes = 407,318
o Wallechinsky: 292,131 KIA + 115,187 other = 407,318
o Eckhardt: 408,000
o Small & Singer: 408,300
* Civilian:
o Britannica: 6,000
o U.S. Merchant Marine: 8,300 mariners killed at sea, at least 1,100 died from wounds. Total killed estimated 9,300. [http://www.usmm.org/ww2.html]
* All (undifferentiated):
o Messenger: 300,000 |
I think some people need a reality check on this kinda stuff every so often and any Brits with chips on your sholders should realise that France had more casulties than us before we go speaking ..... |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Also the perception that there were far more American deaths (similar military) than British is another rumour, us getting "bailed out" too apparently (UK pop. 50-60mil, USA what 250mil more?). |
Well, it's not like they bailed you out meaning that their war efforts were more succesful and greater than yours, but they did bail you out meaning that if they didn't take your side, there would be a big chance you'd loose the war. |
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| Dervish |
| Well if they were bailing us out then they wouldn't have waited till they were attacked and forced to join us rather than for altruistic reasons? |
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| xxxtasy |
Ok, now we are talking about WWII?
I wouldn't use the word 'bail out', it is not diplomatic.
If GB goes to Hitler, it means fall of the British Empire, it means Japanese going all over to India from Burma, and in all possibility, US is in danger too.
So it ain't a bail out, because US national security was endangered too. |
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