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Mixing in the Future! (pg. 5)
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| Rhue |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.DJ
Our word is spreading, because we are only recruiting beta testers for now we are mainly comunicating via the internet. |
So far your project seems intresting. As far as the djing aspect goes this software at best could only beatmatch and mix one song into another, from the information provided so far. It cannot and most likely will not be able to tap into the aspects of human Creativity. Any dj can mix one track to another but its the creativity behind the mix that makes him a good dj. From good track selection to his ability to layer and mash up tracks at various degrees and periods etc, these things a machine simply cannot do as it is not human and knows little about human taste.
Very much intrested in knowing how your project goes, I hope you are applying cognitive science and developing some sort of AI which can learn and improve as it builds its knowledge base. He is right in saying that AI and expert systems are the way into the future and I don't really see this as a threat but more as a challenge.
Would love to spin against your software with my M5gs and the DJm600/Dn-X1500. It might be able to detect the bpms etc better than the human ear, but it certainly will not be able to keep the crowd jumping like I can. ;) |
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| Kia Kaha |
This is so much bull :mad:
A company that claims to have been working on this revolutionary new thing for over a year now, yet no one's ever heard of them, not even a mention of the product or even the company name, in a gossip column of a single solitary music production or pro-dj magazine or anything.
All of a sudden this smooth talking person is posting in all these dj forums, directing people to some website that looks like it's been made in the space of an afternoon, presenting a couple of slick sounding mixed MP3s as the only evidence that this program even exists, and mysteriously asking 400 people to sign up as beta testers and pay the grand sum of £59.95 for the privilege, in exchange for which they'll get some unspecified upgrade / free software in the far distant future :rolleyes:
400 x £59.95 = £24,000. Quite a tidy sum that. That's assuming of course you are on the level and plan to only take 400 'beta testers'. If you were, hypothetically, a bunch of scam artists, then you'd obviously be taking as many suckers for their £59.95 as humanly possible before people got suspicious. Could drag on for months under the pretext of the software not being ready, before anyone even got suspicious ... got potential to be a real nice little earner ;)
Charging for the privilege of doing beta testing for some developer is bull, it's unheard of. They are supposed to pay YOU.
Notice the two things conspicuous by their absence on the 'website' - first of all any kind of proof that the program exists, such as screenshots, basic technical specifications such as supported file types etc. Secondly there is absolutely nothing given away about the company such as country of location, phone number / physical address, name of key staff members, legal disclaimer etc. Basically if you read it, the entire page consists of a bunch of hype about the product, a bunch of windows for you to tell them all your personal details / life story, and a bunch of spurious justification at the bottom as to why they have the right to charge you £60 to be a beta tester for them! And that arrogant load of at the end about the other guy who's already got a shareware program called 'autodj', I love that bit
| quote: | | We will most likely not press for him to change the name of his software as long as it does not cause us any problems. |
Well since he's already got a product on the market and you haven't, I doubt that YOU would be the ones doing the pressing for a name change, in fact when he finds out about this I expect he'll have his lawyers on your asses before lunchtime.
Even if you were on the level which I say you're not, then by your own admission you've got ONE programmer writing this thing??!! Gee I bet the hundreds of people employed by Ableton / Native Instruments / other big name DJ software writers are shaking in their boots over that one :rolleyes:
As Nic points out, this program looks to me like it does absolutely **** all that Ableton doesn't already do, except allegedly control lighting (like it's difficult to get lighting to flash in time to a beat) and there are plenty of very very capable multimedia / VJ mixing programs and bits of kit out there already if you want to go down that road.
Final thought, there are 91 different shareware 'DJ' programs available on download.com right now ... most of them aren't going to last more than a few months as shareware let alone commercial releases before being quietly canned. If you are the kind of lame person who gets off on using auto beatmatching DJ software, then for gods sake do your homework and don't part with your £60 until you have some physical assurances of who these people are, where they are, and what are they going to do with your money.
( the autodj.com domain is coming up as registered to Jeff Charlton of 26 Compton Close, Taunton, Somerset, UK, tel +441823253688, if anyone knows the bloke? ). |
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| Driguez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kia Kaha
This is so much bull :mad:
A company that claims to have been working on this revolutionary new thing for over a year now, yet no one's ever heard of them, not even a mention of the product or even the company name, in a gossip column of a single solitary music production or pro-dj magazine or anything.
All of a sudden this smooth talking person is posting in all these dj forums, directing people to some website that looks like it's been made in the space of an afternoon, presenting a couple of slick sounding mixed MP3s as the only evidence that this program even exists, and mysteriously asking 400 people to sign up as beta testers and pay the grand sum of £59.95 for the privilege, in exchange for which they'll get some unspecified upgrade / free software in the far distant future :rolleyes:
400 x £59.95 = £24,000. Quite a tidy sum that. That's assuming of course you are on the level and plan to only take 400 'beta testers'. If you were, hypothetically, a bunch of scam artists, then you'd obviously be taking as many suckers for their £59.95 as humanly possible before people got suspicious. Could drag on for months under the pretext of the software not being ready, before anyone even got suspicious ... got potential to be a real nice little earner ;)
Charging for the privilege of doing beta testing for some developer is bull, it's unheard of. They are supposed to pay YOU.
Notice the two things conspicuous by their absence on the 'website' - first of all any kind of proof that the program exists, such as screenshots, basic technical specifications such as supported file types etc. Secondly there is absolutely nothing given away about the company such as country of location, phone number / physical address, name of key staff members, legal disclaimer etc. Basically if you read it, the entire page consists of a bunch of hype about the product, a bunch of windows for you to tell them all your personal details / life story, and a bunch of spurious justification at the bottom as to why they have the right to charge you £60 to be a beta tester for them! And that arrogant load of at the end about the other guy who's already got a shareware program called 'autodj', I love that bit
Well since he's already got a product on the market and you haven't, I doubt that YOU would be the ones doing the pressing for a name change, in fact when he finds out about this I expect he'll have his lawyers on your asses before lunchtime.
Even if you were on the level which I say you're not, then by your own admission you've got ONE programmer writing this thing??!! Gee I bet the hundreds of people employed by Ableton / Native Instruments / other big name DJ software writers are shaking in their boots over that one :rolleyes:
As Nic points out, this program looks to me like it does absolutely **** all that Ableton doesn't already do, except allegedly control lighting (like it's difficult to get lighting to flash in time to a beat) and there are plenty of very very capable multimedia / VJ mixing programs and bits of kit out there already if you want to go down that road.
Final thought, there are 91 different shareware 'DJ' programs available on download.com right now ... most of them aren't going to last more than a few months as shareware let alone commercial releases before being quietly canned. If you are the kind of lame person who gets off on using auto beatmatching DJ software, then for gods sake do your homework and don't part with your £60 until you have some physical assurances of who these people are, where they are, and what are they going to do with your money.
( the autodj.com domain is coming up as registered to Jeff Charlton of 26 Compton Close, Taunton, Somerset, UK, tel +441823253688, if anyone knows the bloke? ). |
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| A.DJ |
Hi,
We will be launching our own forums on Sunday 5th June 2005 at midnight GMT. We very much look forward to continuing all further discussions on our own web forums from then onwards.
http://www.autodj.com/forum
I would personally like to say thank you firstly to the owners of this forum for allowing this thread to run. Also to everyone for taking an interest in our software whether they be for it or against it.
Finally a big thanks to our recruitment representative for making our name known in these forums in the first place :) (Incidently, I registered my usual TruthSeeker login but it takes 24 hours to become active due to moderation which is the reason for using this login.)
Jeff Charlton
P.S. If you do your homework even more you will also find out that AutoDJ Limited and www.autodj.co.uk are also registered at the same address. |
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| Kia Kaha |
... and another thing - why the bejeezus do you need 400 beta testers in the first place? Even massively huge commercial software releases ( just looking through the credit screens of Halo 2 here ), only seems to require a couple of dozen beta testers.
I can tell you for free mate, that you are going to need more than one single solitary programmer to read 400 beta test reports / bug sheets / wish lists etc, and then do all the program rewriting / debugging / incorporate new features as a result of tester feedback etc, and then get it all to market before the entire software becomes obsolete before it's launched. I would guess from my limited experience of software developing, that it's more like a job for a team of 20 to 30 people. At the very least, you better get your 'stylist' and your 'marketing manager' to help out with some of that :p
Or could it be that it's not the 400 beta testers you need, so much as the £24,000 they represent, so that you can pay your 5 staff another few weeks wages while your one overworked programmer struggles to finish writing the thing and polishing it sufficiently so you can try and put it on the market properly?
Man it better be goooooood when it comes out, or you are going to have 400 pissed off bedroom DJs coming after you and wanting their money back :nervous: |
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| A.DJ |
Hi,
Please remember we've already worked on it for nearly three years.
We are looking for 400 life long Beta Members. They will each have total input into all the aspects of A.DJ and how it will be when it is finally released. The money, as well as being a major discount on A.DJ final price itself, is all they will pay our company for life. All future products will be at no further cost to our 400 Beta Members and we have many ideas planned for the future.
It will actually be used for various items such as incorporating the time stretching library ( http://www.zplane.de/showPage.php?SPRACHE=UK&PAGE=home ) which costs in excess of £5000. We use fmod ( http://www.fmod.org ) to handle the MP3 decoding. This is probably the most efficient MP3 decoder available today and used in many leading games around today because of that. We have built the mixing engine directly on top of that and it works perfectly.
We are looking for people who are skilled in various areas and who will put A.DJ through it's paces in a number of different venue settings and in a number if different cultures. We hope the possibilites of A.DJ will allow for our beta members success we expect from the possibilities with A.DJ will be hopefully fully reflected in the success of the people using it and this is just one way we hope to reward our beta members.
The whole essence of a product is made up ultimately from the team that produced it. I believe 100% in the team producing A.DJ and look forward to launching to the public as a whole when both we and our beta members have fully decided that A.DJ is all it should be.
Our forums are open now so any further input on our behalf will be made there: http://www.autodj.com/forum |
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| tvmann |
One thing you should do is rename it. De-emphasize any references to automation.
Obviously you have a marketing problem there. Many people here have indicated they don't want anything they use to be "Auto". If you keep that name you'll be constantly dealing with this question and people will be less inclined to buy your product. |
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| DannyO |
Hmm well this sounds like quite the program at how it can beatmatch, as for phase matching, you could easly have the program read the last 64 bars of each track and have it bring the first beat of the next track in on top of the 1st beat of the last 64 or so, wouldn't be great but its more of a standard in mixing, as for keys, well Mixmeister isn't oo bad at finding the keys of tunes, so you could make one aswell, or have a central database that people can add to about what track and mix they were playing and what key they say it is, then people could download an updated database every few weeks with a whole bunch of new tracks that have already been keyed, so when you buy an MP3 and import it, it already knows for sure what the key is, these features would be good and I don't think would be all that hard to include.
After reading all this and all that it can do and what it could do, and takin in what other programs can do, I as a DJ am not bothered at all actually, I don't care how good this program is, as I think it will only work in commercial clubs and the like, there will always be certain clubs that are made for this scene and therefor I cannot see any auto dj program ever being introduced into it as I don't think this scenes crowd would care for it, plus it would never show up at a rave or outdoor event, therefor I ain't bothered as these kind of programs will never be welcome in this type of scene due to the crowd, also I don't care how good this program could get at mixing, I still think a good bedroom DJ would put it to shame duo to what they can still be able to do and what the program could not mimic due to not having any creative side.
Even though this program still has a side that a "DJ" could still work with as it doesn't have to do everything, I really couldn't care for, sitting there pressing buttons on a computer to me would be the same as sitting in a cubicle at some deadend job, maybe some kind of massive FULL control hardware would get me interested but who knows.
One thing that does bother me, is if this does turn out great and gets popular, then your gonna have more kids saying there DJs also, and that gets annoying, I mean after years of practicing and then finally mastering it, then you tell someone your a DJ and some kid who downloaded your program an hour ago who messed with it will also be calling himself as a DJ, so the whole DJ thing would lose alot of respect.
I do have one question, WTF kind of interface does it have if you guys are running this on a 386?, is it some kind of DOS program :wtf:
Oh and if this is gonna get big, you might want someone to design an amazing protection program, as I don't know how safe you've made it now, but I give it 48 hours after being available to download before there will be a crack out for it.
Best of luck though. |
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| Freak |
As soon as you incprporate the AUTOWIPE® function i will sign up.
Then I can get paid for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and have my ass wiped at the same time. :rolleyes:
Freak no like, Bad medicine. |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
As soon as you incprporate the AUTOWIPE® function i will sign up.
Then I can get paid for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and have my ass wiped at the same time. :rolleyes:
Freak no like, Bad medicine. |
down freak... down boy!:whip: |
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| Ekstussi |
Non-DJ's and Home Users can:
Just press play and know that AutoDJ will do the rest.
Become a DJ (Digital Jockey).
DJ's can:
Play completely live and "hands on" or sit back and let AutoDJ take over some or even all of the mixing.
Use AutoDJ as a third, fourth, tenth, hundredth (you get the picture) extra virtual deck and "spin" records right over the top.
Produce every mix flawlessly.
Thats not what Djing is all about.....
..... In my honest and jaded opinion, you should pull your product from the shelves.... like no offence or anything but I get to voice my opinion.
But I do have to give you respect because now I am Determined to one day be a better DJ than any machine put out there, I will learn the art of DJing with at least 2 songs playing at once :p :toothless |
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| Abhay |
Welcome to the real world....
DJin is about ot be just as ueful as being abe to heat up a coal furnace....
you just don't need to do it, there's technology out there...
IT SUX!!!! But.........................
A computer can never "feel" music like a human can... |
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