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| Spirit5 |
Okay to respond to all you guys who have responded to this today, I know it will require research and going on my own, but right now with school and work and all it isn't possible. In another few years perhaps but now, no. Eventually when I am on my own (not living at home), closer to being done with school and making more money, I'll be able to afford going to places like Ibiza, Amsterdam, Miami, Toronto, Los Angeles etc. It will require learning, sure and learning to book these DJs, but if I get better at my own DJing and meet others who DJ as well, we could start this thing off ourselves, before we get into the big guys. It's not so much that i'm scared to go to these places, it's more a lack of fun that I would have going alone. I mean to be blunt (don't think i'm a wuss or anything) I would not go to places like downtown Detroit or Los Angeles alone to a club. Those places are just not safe at 2:00 AM at night, especially considering Detroit has at least three or four murders and robberies a week. 2:00 AM with people who have been drinking all night might not be the best place to be alone.
I go to a community college called Oakland Community College. I still have a ways to go before I complete my schooling, since I would like at least a Masters Degree to begin with, then a PhD in the future or a psy-D which is similar to that but specialized for Psychologists. Initially I will help my clients, do therapy etc. After a while though I hope to do more research based stuff, looking into creativity, altered states of consciousness and spirituality. If this is successful I hope to bring this research over into the club scene. Kind of like making the experience a therapy of sorts for anyone.
I know you guys might think this is crazy, but I don't see there being alcohol at this place. I mean maybe at some events, but not all the time. You might say "What is a club without alcohol?" well this might be another way of making it more progressive, less bar like and safer. None of this is going to happen overnight, like i've said, years in the making, lots of trials and tribulations involved in it. In many ways I want the focus here to be on the experience and the music. I just get turned off by people standing around with booze in their hands, getting wasted and thinking this is what the scene is all about.
Even if this club thing never works, I do feel we need to go beyond the bar atmosphere, the drinking, drugs, scantly clad women, rave (although I embrace some of its sentiments) and hip hop attitude and influences etc (some of these things to me are out of place in the scene with music this beautiful). I mean I'm not a prude, I don't think this stuff will go away over night or should be completely done with or is bad (not all good either). Neither am I conservative, far from it. I am a progressive thinker, and am looking for a scene which embraces the music as magical, dream-like and spiritual and beautiful, as it should be and many of it is. This goes way back to early BT's music, which was designed like a spiritual journey or a dream, early Robert Miles like his "Children" and PvD, like his "For An Angel". All of these had influence on me five to six years ago, and it still does today. Looking now I still see many songs that give me this feeling of transcendence, of being closer to a higher power and makes me happier, more peaceful and helps me to be more creative and imaginative. |
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| Nic |
| if there was no alcohol 85% of the people i know wouldnt go, count out drugs as well and its above 95%. Its nice and all to think of it as spiritual or whatever but when i go out i like to have a good time with mates, hear music that i love and have a few beers, if you start removing things like alcohol from the clubbing experience you will tend to lose the people that like a few drinks, not to mention that you wouldnt make any money |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nic
if there was no alcohol 85% of the people i know wouldnt go, count out drugs as well and its above 95%. Its nice and all to think of it as spiritual or whatever but when i go out i like to have a good time with mates, hear music that i love and have a few beers, if you start removing things like alcohol from the clubbing experience you will tend to lose the people that like a few drinks, not to mention that you wouldnt make any money |
Me being no big drinker I still wouldn't go if there was no alcohol.
One thing that comes across very mixedly from Spirit5's idea is a building/booking environnement based on capitalism with hopes of making it work in a hippy go lucky sense. Just buy a big tent if you're going for the zero returns plan. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nic
if there was no alcohol 85% of the people i know wouldnt go, count out drugs as well and its above 95%. Its nice and all to think of it as spiritual or whatever but when i go out i like to have a good time with mates, hear music that i love and have a few beers, if you start removing things like alcohol from the clubbing experience you will tend to lose the people that like a few drinks, not to mention that you wouldnt make any money |
I understand that its a big part of the bar/club scene. I don't think completely eliminating alcohol from the experience would be a good idea, however what I am saying is that it would be less about "going out and having a good time...drinking beer..doing drugs" whatever. I mean I'm not saying that everyone is getting wasted, doing drugs ect, but that having a different environment, or bringing our music into something other than just a typical club environment would be cool. I mean the scene needs to, in my opinion, get beyond the idea of going out and drinking. I mean i'm not saying I wont ever drink (i'll be 21 in a year so i'm sure i'll drink), but having an environment where the focus is on the experience and the music. Why is the music this beautiful, this...spiritual (melodic prog and uplifting trance) if this music isn't embraced to the same degree as such. I mean maybe it is, but let me know more about it, because my exposure to the club scene wont come for a while and maybe I am just being igornant (which I don't mean to be, seriously). My parents refuse to let me go to clubs alone.... |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I understand that its a big part of the bar/club scene. I don't think completely eliminating alcohol from the experience would be a good idea, however what I am saying is that it would be less about "going out and having a good time...drinking beer..doing drugs" whatever. I mean I'm not saying that everyone is getting wasted, doing drugs ect, but that having a different environment, or bringing our music into something other than just a typical club environment would be cool. I mean the scene needs to, in my opinion, get beyond the idea of going out and drinking. I mean i'm not saying I wont ever drink (i'll be 21 in a year so i'm sure i'll drink), but having an environment where the focus is on the experience and the music. Why is the music this beautiful, this...spiritual (melodic prog and uplifting trance) if this music isn't embraced to the same degree as such. I mean maybe it is, but let me know more about it, because my exposure to the club scene wont come for a while and maybe I am just being igornant (which I don't mean to be, seriously). My parents refuse to let me go to clubs alone.... |
Well you gotta think...
Take a place like you want to build let's say it costs ... 5 Mill.
How the hell are you going to pay for it? And the staff?
You'll charge 100 bucks at the door :conf:
Have a full assortement of candy and flavored waters ? ( just like Arc used to have cause they had no alcohol license :haha: )
Either way you'll have to pay the bills ;) |
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| Spirit5 |
| Yeah i think i'll just scrap the whole idea all together. All I guess i am looking for is a different kind of club scene, that's all. |
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| Inertia |
well. you have quite a few dreams up there. not impossible, but it'll be a lot of hard work.
my advice, first off, is to GET OUT THERE. if you don't like clubbing alone, well, then you're not cut out for this type of work. sure, a lot cooler when you're accompanied, but you have to be able to go out by yourself, otherwise, you'll be in a jam.
but, let's get stuff in perspective. you club does sound cool. but you have to remember, that throwing the greatest party, doesn't ever mean making the most money. you can't approach clubs with the 'rave-like' mentality, meaning, back in the days of raves, it was everyone come in, have fun, have a life changing experience, be happy, go home. i'm pretty sure you want some of that, and it is indeed achievable, but when you're running a club, it's everyone come in so i can make bank. that's what it is, unfortunately. once you prove you can haul a crowd, you can get sponsors to basically set you up, but that takes a lot of hard work, and it still will be a completely money-driven action. sorry.
let's look at Sven Vath. he has set up the most amazing club that i have never been too. Cocoon Club in Frankfurt, Germany. this thing is supposed to be amazing in every single aspect; architecture, soundsystem, ambience, food (they have restaurants in the thing) and whatnot. i won't even begin to talk about music, having an owner like Sven.
this baby cost, well, i don't have a factual number, but Frank Lorber (known to many as almost like Sven's little brother) who holds a residency there, and got to see it as it was being built, told me it was somewhere near 20million euro. lot's of cash.
and before embarking on such a journey, Sven had already been: world-famous DJ, world-famous producer, owner of a world-famous record label (cocoon recordings), owner of a world-famous booking agency (cocoon), and promoter/organizer of world-famous events (cocoon-clubbing), for what, about a decade or more?
and still, i'm willing to bet that his superclub was still a big risk.
not trying to knock on your dream, but remember, it DOES NOT come easy. if you're just daydreaming and want us to imagine a bit of what goes through your head, yeah, lemme say, it would be pretty cool. but if you actually want to do this, it's a LOT OF HARD WORK.
as other's have said, start doing clubnights. hell, i'd encourage you to learn how to spin as well. nothing better than knowing what every aspect of the industry is like.
best of luck to ya. |
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| Spirit5 |
Inertia, thanks for the advice. Largely this is me dreaming and wanting input from people. And you got it right I think, thats what I want, that atmosphere of having a life changing experience, but not just that. An experience, I think, that would just let someone be engrossed in the whole atmosphere of the place, the vibe, the music and be engrossed in that. Make it like your tripping out on a natural high, not just by drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever. I have ambitions but I will come right out and say that not all of them will come true, I know that.
I do hope to DJ someday, as I do own turntables and know how to spin (not perfectely but i have only been at for two years) and like I say on my signature, I am planning to get some Technics so that I know how to use them so I can spin at clubs in the future and know how to use their equipment. The Numarks have a different feel, and stuff like the LCD screen makes it a little easier for a beginner like me to learn to mix. Largely I need to learn by ear (which I have been doing, but still kind of dependent on the damn LCD screen). I will be forced to do this with the Technics, which is a good thing.
I do hope to eventually convince my parents to let me go to clubs alone, although like i've said, it would be a lot more fun with other people. It would be easier if I was living on my own, which wont come till I'm making more than what I am right now ($7 an hour). I'm not wanting to get a new job now, as I am in school and need time for my studies, and still need a little money for food, clothes, books, CDs, vinyl, and upgraded DJ stuff (which comes with saving up money...time). My job is very flexible so they can easily work around my schedule. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah i think i'll just scrap the whole idea all together. All I guess i am looking for is a different kind of club scene, that's all. |
Nonononono don't scrap the idea. You I think want to create a club night and build a comunity around you of like minded people. You can do it and it can be profitable. But do consider it a business, that way it is sustainable. |
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| Spirit5 |
| Thanks dervish. I just want to live life a day at a time now though. See where life takes me and build my DJ skills up and DJ at clubs first, and see where that goes first. I'm sure with time my confidence in it will come. |
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| Dervish |
I think what you are looking for is a scene, which you can create/find. Even if it just starts off you and your friends. I'd hate to see you get cynical and so on. I am a bit, I need to go back to my home town soon and it'll be hard to create a scene there because of the size of it(so small).
I really do think creating nights is where you'd be best. But you need to account for all aspects of it. Which is where the work is. But once you have tapped into it it is like a snowball it'll grow and grow. |
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| Spirit5 |
| Yeah a scene that I can call my own but share with others and allow them to use this as an inspiration...to let it grow. I have so much thats been on my mind all these years with this music, and the emotions it produces. A feeling of "awe" is what it leaves so many people and that feeling I want to in some ways..capitalize on and make this a scene filled with a deep routed sense of meaning and purpose. The music is one way to find it, but ultimately it will allow us to find purpose in our own lives and go forth feeling as if you've just been to heaven... |
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