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| everyMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by WinterWave
lol, why use VSTs when You can achieve great things with just FL Studio's native 3xOsc. with proper FX it produces amazing Trance basslines. everything depends on the Cut, Res and FX. because essentially every synth is a sine wave, which is tweaked with proper FX and other parameters, eve Z3ta, and FM synths like Sytrus.
I suggest practicing the FX, instead of using the OMG-FLASHY-AND-BEAUTIFUL VSTs, not that the VSTs suck, but it is the matter of understanding the technique behind the music!
Respect! |
What you say is totaly ridiculous..
ok 3oscs can do basslines , even maybe some great.
But each synth has specific modulations and offers many possibilities.
It's not about all about flashy displays.
What if you need to frequency modulate one oscillator ? what if you want to sync two oscilators ? what if you want to modulate pulsewidth of pitch by an LFO ? can 3oscs do the job ? i don't think so.
When we are talking about some complexs sounds of basses you need a synth wich has more possibilities. |
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| everyMan |
| If you need Bennassi's one , ok 3oscs can emulate it very well.. |
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| DC76 |
Triangle II is pretty killer for basslines. The only downside is it is monophonic and therefore can't be layered very well... you'll have to rely more on harmonics to get a deeper sound.
That said, the T2 sounds really good for a monophonic, two-osc, freeware VSTi. :D
I've heard some good things about this Trilogy from an old buddy of mine who is now working in the States for a major record company... or at least, he was when I last heard. ;) I'm taking his word for that. |
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| WinterWave |
actually I what I said is not stupid. everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I gave mine! kthx!
that said, You can do pitching in the Piano roll, plus Automation is for that.
only thing i cant figure out how to do it, is Pulsewidth, because i think 3xOsc does not have this. it has however Fat mode, for adding additional Voices, it has Stereo Widening, detuning, LFOs on Vol,Cut,Res,Pitch and Pan, echo delay and so on and so on!
plus if added proper FX, it CAN and WILL produce anything! ;) just skillz, mad skillz (not that i have them, but I could point a few fingers)
so, please try and learn the 3xOsc a bit better, since the more You learn to do with it, the more You learn to play around with the hightech VSTs that have pretty much all of the FX builtin! ;)
Peace! |
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| Dickie-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by WinterWave
actually I what I said is not stupid. everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I gave mine! kthx!
that said, You can do pitching in the Piano roll, plus Automation is for that.
only thing i cant figure out how to do it, is Pulsewidth, because i think 3xOsc does not have this. it has however Fat mode, for adding additional Voices, it has Stereo Widening, detuning, LFOs on Vol,Cut,Res,Pitch and Pan, echo delay and so on and so on!
plus if added proper FX, it CAN and WILL produce anything! ;) just skillz, mad skillz (not that i have them, but I could point a few fingers)
so, please try and learn the 3xOsc a bit better, since the more You learn to do with it, the more You learn to play around with the hightech VSTs that have pretty much all of the FX builtin! ;)
Peace! |
any synth can do what 3xosc can do
so i dont get the point
only upside is that it comes free with fl |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
I use Sytrus for basses / sub-basses, it's a great vst. |
Sytrus is not a VST.
| quote: | Originally posted by WinterWave
lol, why use VSTs when You can achieve great things with just FL Studio's native 3xOsc. with proper FX it produces amazing Trance basslines. everything depends on the Cut, Res and FX. because essentially every synth is a sine wave, which is tweaked with proper FX and other parameters, eve Z3ta, and FM synths like Sytrus.
I suggest practicing the FX, instead of using the OMG-FLASHY-AND-BEAUTIFUL VSTs, not that the VSTs suck, but it is the matter of understanding the technique behind the music!
Respect! |
Spoken like a true Fruityloops junkie. No offense, but you're completely full of .
Every synth is just a sine wave? Try using a square wave, that's an INFINITE number of sine waves.
Yes, it's true, 3xOsc can produce adequate basslines for very simple tracks. Hell, 1 oscillator can do that, just throw in a 60 Hz sine wave and it'll rumble the subwoofer like any other bass! Put enough fx on a sine wave and you'll get everything you could get out of a 3x Osc.
The question is, why would you want to?
Why waste precious CPU cycles on a ton of effects that could be done far more easily by a more sophisticated synth?
There's not even enough room in a single Fruityloops track for all the effects you'd need to replicate a z3ta+ or Albino bassline with a 3xosc. You'd need to route it through 3 tracks just to get the waveshaping, PEG and AEG envelopes, filters, distortion, compressor, reverb, eq, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, and limiter. and even that's not taking into account the 10 extra tracks you'd need to create for all the extra LFOs and all the parameters you'd need to manually link. The arps and envelopes in Fruityloops suck compared to what's available in z3ta+ or Albino. And what if you have a MIDI keyboard and you want to use its knobs to control some of the parameters? Good luck!
Every VST shines in different areas when it comes to basslines:
- V-Station is good for basslines that blend in and don't steal the focus;
- Albino is good for those thumping booty-shaking basslines;
- z3ta+ is the best for angry basslines that cut through the mix;
etc.
Honestly, I'd like to see you try to reproduce some of the basslines from these synths in 3x Osc. Go ahead prove us wrong - load up the "whopper bass" in the z3ta+ factory presets (that's one of the *simpler* basses), and show us how to reproduce it with just 3xOscs and FL's internal effects.
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| DigiNut |
The Sytrus that's included with FL is not a VST, only a Fruity generator. If you check the Plugins\VST folder, there ain't no Sytrus.
But if it's available separately as a VST, then I stand corrected. |
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| DRM |
| for the people saying 3osc is wank i could name numourous big name people that use it for basslines. its especially excellent for off beat subs that complement the other basses. im not saying its the best thing ever but it certainly has its uses. |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Sytrus is not a VST.
Spoken like a true Fruityloops junkie. No offense, but you're completely full of .
Every synth is just a sine wave? Try using a square wave, that's an INFINITE number of sine waves.
Yes, it's true, 3xOsc can produce adequate basslines for very simple tracks. Hell, 1 oscillator can do that, just throw in a 60 Hz sine wave and it'll rumble the subwoofer like any other bass! Put enough fx on a sine wave and you'll get everything you could get out of a 3x Osc.
The question is, why would you want to?
Why waste precious CPU cycles on a ton of effects that could be done far more easily by a more sophisticated synth?
There's not even enough room in a single Fruityloops track for all the effects you'd need to replicate a z3ta+ or Albino bassline with a 3xosc. You'd need to route it through 3 tracks just to get the waveshaping, PEG and AEG envelopes, filters, distortion, compressor, reverb, eq, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, and limiter. and even that's not taking into account the 10 extra tracks you'd need to create for all the extra LFOs and all the parameters you'd need to manually link. The arps and envelopes in Fruityloops suck compared to what's available in z3ta+ or Albino. And what if you have a MIDI keyboard and you want to use its knobs to control some of the parameters? Good luck!
Every VST shines in different areas when it comes to basslines:
- V-Station is good for basslines that blend in and don't steal the focus;
- Albino is good for those thumping booty-shaking basslines;
- z3ta+ is the best for angry basslines that cut through the mix;
etc.
Honestly, I'd like to see you try to reproduce some of the basslines from these synths in 3x Osc. Go ahead prove us wrong - load up the "whopper bass" in the z3ta+ factory presets (that's one of the *simpler* basses), and show us how to reproduce it with just 3xOscs and FL's internal effects.
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i dont know exactly why you are beating on WinterWave because he was polite in his respose and he does have a very valid point even if parts of it are worded funny.
3osc is just one of many tools for making a sound. play to its strengths and you can get some decent stuff out of it. like any instrument really. nowhere did he imply that you could make massively complicated, multi oscillator basses with complex mod matrix assigns. he only implied that if you spend time with it and learn the little nuances of the instrument, you could get some surprisingly good stuff out of it. and hes right.
as for sytrus. you wont find it in the VST folder because fl studio is DX native. all the 'generators' in fl studio are DXi plugins. you can however get a VSTi version of sytrus separately.
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back on topic. i tend not to like complex bass sounds. most of the basses i make are single oscillator and monophonic. but thats because i love analogue mono synths and they all tend to make really powerful basses (even though minimoogs were designed for leads, it does bass so well its kind of got a bigger reputation for the latter). theres a kind of purity to the sound which you lose when you start stacking oscillators and effects. course, it depends on the raw waveform you are using - greati f its analogue - no aliasing. but its hard to beat a single oscillator sine/saw bass for trance type music. compressed hard with the top end filtered out. i love that deep moog voyager-esque bass sound you can here in chicane's saltwater for example - really simple but it absolutely does the job. |
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| DigiNut |
Of course, I agree completely about the analogue basses. Although you have to keep in mind, these analogue synths were pretty complex instruments in themselves, and many had 4 or 8 or more voices on them. The only analogue instrument that I can think of that's truly been reconstructed from the ground up (i.e. not using samplers) with digital technology is the 303.
As for why I was "beating" on him, I suggest you reread his post because it was anything but polite. It was snarky and smug, carrying an implication that people who use better synths are merely compensating for their lack of skill with synthesis and effects. -talking like that pisses me off; as I said in one of my earlier posts here, one of the reasons I rarely visit this forum is because of all the ridiculous showboating - too many people here seem to be out to prove that they know something or have some skill that nobody else does. To me, this forum should be about sharing valuable information, not getting on our high horses and acting like complete cocks. We already have the Promotion forums for that. |
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| I use EVM bassline for basses sometimes, with a bunch of effects and stuff. |
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