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Bass Any ideas? (pg. 3)
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| EtherealSL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Sytrus is not a VST.
Spoken like a true Fruityloops junkie. No offense, but you're completely full of .
Every synth is just a sine wave? Try using a square wave, that's an INFINITE number of sine waves.
Yes, it's true, 3xOsc can produce adequate basslines for very simple tracks. Hell, 1 oscillator can do that, just throw in a 60 Hz sine wave and it'll rumble the subwoofer like any other bass! Put enough fx on a sine wave and you'll get everything you could get out of a 3x Osc.
The question is, why would you want to?
Why waste precious CPU cycles on a ton of effects that could be done far more easily by a more sophisticated synth?
There's not even enough room in a single Fruityloops track for all the effects you'd need to replicate a z3ta+ or Albino bassline with a 3xosc. You'd need to route it through 3 tracks just to get the waveshaping, PEG and AEG envelopes, filters, distortion, compressor, reverb, eq, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, and limiter. and even that's not taking into account the 10 extra tracks you'd need to create for all the extra LFOs and all the parameters you'd need to manually link. The arps and envelopes in Fruityloops suck compared to what's available in z3ta+ or Albino. And what if you have a MIDI keyboard and you want to use its knobs to control some of the parameters? Good luck!
Every VST shines in different areas when it comes to basslines:
- V-Station is good for basslines that blend in and don't steal the focus;
- Albino is good for those thumping booty-shaking basslines;
- z3ta+ is the best for angry basslines that cut through the mix;
etc.
Honestly, I'd like to see you try to reproduce some of the basslines from these synths in 3x Osc. Go ahead prove us wrong - load up the "whopper bass" in the z3ta+ factory presets (that's one of the *simpler* basses), and show us how to reproduce it with just 3xOscs and FL's internal effects.
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agreed completely... using 3xosc for everything is a BIIIITCH. it makes no sense to do that when you have amazing synths out there, just go out and learn them! (and this is coming from a true flp junkie)
As for my basses, i simply use TBL Bassline for mine, very easy very simple... |
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| *InVeRs3* |
| quote: | Originally posted by everyMan
Layering bass is when you have a bass which plays some range of frequencies and another bass which plays another range.
You can layer Low-Mid , Low-MidHigh , Low-Mid-High
Dont really need to have more than 3 layers. |
When you layer, do you use the same vst? and when you say plays a different range of frequencies do you mean that you eq each vst differently? |
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| everyMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
When you layer, do you use the same vst? |
There is no rule, you can layer different sounds of bass, you can even layer two bassline wich have different midi notes.. just experiment until you find something original.
| quote: | | and when you say plays a different range of frequencies do you mean that you eq each vst differently? |
yes, layering two different basses at the same frequencies often doesn't sounds good, but there is still no rules. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
Hey. FM7 and Absynth produce the fullest basslines without any external effects. Just my opinion but neither have failed me yet :).
Cheers,
Zac |
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| kaymak |
Albino 2, vanguard and v-station are pretty cool,
Findin the right sound is only half the trick for layering,
Eq and comp are the key,
I find when the 2/3 basslines play at the same freq the they sound very muddy even when eq'd |
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| everyMan |
| Like I said before, and as you can see in this thread , a lot of synths can do basses.. and each one will sound different, not better, just different, that's why I use all the synths I own . |
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| kaymak |
| quote: | | Like I said before, and as you can see in this thread , a lot of synths can do basses.. and each one will sound different, not better, just different, that's why I use all the synths I own . |
Never a truer word spoke, or typed in this case. lol, |
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| *InVeRs3* |
| quote: | Originally posted by everyMan
There is no rule, you can layer different sounds of bass, you can even layer two bassline wich have different midi notes.. just experiment until you find something original.
yes, layering two different basses at the same frequencies often doesn't sounds good, but there is still no rules. |
Ah I see. I thought there was some rule for layering. Thanks for answering my questions :toothless |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | | Of course, I agree completely about the analogue basses. Although you have to keep in mind, these analogue synths were pretty complex instruments in themselves, and many had 4 or 8 or more voices on them. The only analogue instrument that I can think of that's truly been reconstructed from the ground up (i.e. not using samplers) with digital technology is the 303. |
the analogue synths i listed were monophonic. analogue polysynths are a whole other area although typically they are really good for basses too.
digital synths are based on sampled waveforms. as in the case of the access virus (just an example) - a digital synth which uses sampled waveforms for its oscillators. via a modulation matrix it then allows you to mimic some of the characteristics of analogue oscillators such as pitch drift by allowing you to modulate the oscillator tuning for example. even then, the raw sound is only ever as good as the raw waveform you put in.
there is no digital recreation however that can reproduce the square wave on a teebee. at least, ive never heard a convincing digital replica. the saw wave can get pretty close though. the one on ABL bassline is really very good. |
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| Dj Pyster |
| I usually create my bass with Pro-53, V-station or z3ta or FM7, since those are the only softsynths I have. Those usually cut it for me, EQing and Compressing are my buddies with Bass though, the synth doesn't give it the full effect. |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
the analogue synths i listed were monophonic. analogue polysynths are a whole other area although typically they are really good for basses too.
digital synths are based on sampled waveforms. as in the case of the access virus (just an example) - a digital synth which uses sampled waveforms for its oscillators. via a modulation matrix it then allows you to mimic some of the characteristics of analogue oscillators such as pitch drift by allowing you to modulate the oscillator tuning for example. even then, the raw sound is only ever as good as the raw waveform you put in.
there is no digital recreation however that can reproduce the square wave on a teebee. at least, ive never heard a convincing digital replica. the saw wave can get pretty close though. the one on ABL bassline is really very good. |
the virus does not use sampled oscillators it use digital dsp driven oscillators. Sample driven osc would be wavetable osc(psp, microwave, wave etc), romplers(motif, fantom, etc). Or any sampler that you place a really short sample in(think 16 samples, very small)... |
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| Azza Robinson |
| Thanks guys :D excellent replys :D |
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