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another dz1200 or cdj1000mk2 (pg. 4)
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Axolotyl
So something that is built on features and buttons (back to the buttons I see) is a toy? What logic is that dude?
No, I dont play at clubs and no I dont charge for entry to the parties that I do play at. So therefore that makes my opinon invalid or something does it? I already stated that if you want to have a deck with features then Dennon is the one to go for, if you want to mix at clubs, then go the Pioneers.
And I really have no idea what your referring to when you say "using effects to bring in my cued song" and that your somehow spoiling my trick? Yes, most DJ's have tricks. Isnt that what its all about? If you can explain this better, I might be able to respond to it, but your just not making a lot of sense here dude.
What has time got to do with applying effects? Your saying it takes 8 mintues to do a trick with a deck? What sort of trick are we talking here? Not really dude... for example... set up your cue... 3 sec reverse play... followed by a backspin with a flanger for arguements sake and then cue back into a loop. OK, thats like 4 tricks or effects in the space of about 5 seconds mate. Something like that is a bit excessive (but can sound excellent if you do it right), I'm just showing that fx dont need to dominate a set. But then I mix psytrance and tech which is a lot more forgiving of experimenting and beatchopping than what uplifting is, which seems to be based mainly on track selection and not clashing the melodies.
Anyway, I'm preaching to a brick wall here. Pioneer and trance are synonymous. OK, you win ;) Dennons buttons are GaY :nervous: =) |
my simple statment is that the addition of such features wont' make you a better dj if you still don't know how to beatmatch. therefore unless you know the basis of mixing, and using tt's, or cd players the effects will be more damaging than helping to you. bring in your cued song - mix in the next song...
to disaprove with your theory that pioneers are in clubs everywhere, all over where i live denon's 3000 or 5000 are currently used in clubs, why because mostly all the djs that play there know how to beat count and can't mix a song in to save their lives without an addition of flagger, break or whatever else.
back to my point, because this is dragging on without any purpose, the effects are useless if you're a y dj, and if you can mix well without them then they will help you in your set. but that doesn't mean you must buy a cd player with build in features (you can get an efx). |
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tygon
Big difference between the 800s and 1000s? |
Here are some feature differences:
CDJ-800
Smaller footprint (305W*105H*330D) than CDJ-1000 (320W*105H*370D).
NEW: Quick Return for beginning scratchers
NEW: Lighter feel jog dial for beginning scratchers
NEW: Auto Beat Loop
NEW: Tempo Control +-100% Pitch control
NEW: DJ Function Digital Out (including sending scratch, pitch, master tempo digital data info through digital outs)
Smaller Capacity Internal Cue/Loop Memory: 1 points per CD up to 500 CDs
No facility for external memory (no MMC)
Minimum Tempo Step only 0.05%
Only one Vinyl Speed Adjust
Only one adjust for both touch & release (it CAN do a "break" still)
No Wave Display
No Tempo Reset
No Hot Cue memory buttons
No CD Text
No Calendar Display
BPM Counter: same as 1000
Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper): same as 1000
Legato Link Conversion: same as 1000
CDJ-1000
Wave Display
3 Hot Cue memory buttons
Cue/Loop Internal Memory 10 points per CD up to 100 CDs
Cue/Loop External Memory (MMC): 100 points per CD up to 10000 CDs = 1,000,000 points of memory!
Tempo Control ±24% Pitch control
Minimum Tempo Steps on the pitch control 0.02%
Tempo Reset function button
Wave Display
CD Text
Two Vinyl Speed Adjust
Separated adjust for Touch & Release
Commercial design
Calendar Display
BPM Counter
Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper)
Legato Link Conversion |
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| Tygon |
Hmmm... I'm really not seeing much of a reason to pay the extra couple hundred bucks for the 1000s.
My decision has become much easier thanks to this thread ;) |
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| alligator |
i guess the feel of the 800 is not as realistic as the 1000, but hey neither are vinyl.
hope you enjoy either player (whichever one you're gonna buy)
also neither of these two play mp3, so if you like your mp3 cd's then think about the cdj 200 |
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| Tygon |
Well I figure... if I buy the 800 I can get used to them over time even if they're not as realistic. If a club has 1000s, it'll be an easier adjustment than the other way around.
Nah I don't use mp3 CDs... I burn 1 track per CD... which is also a reason that CD Text is useless.
Currently my resident club has these CD decks which I've become quite comfortable with. If I can get used to these, Pioneers will be a breeze!
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| alligator |
i've tried using those at a pub a few times (note to mention it was after i fell inlove w/ the mkII) and the jog on those double decks is just horrible.
i couldn't stand them, also the way you cue between the denon and pioneer is different. but i stand by my opinion never buy double decks. (although cheap bars, pubs and/or cheap clubs will have those) |
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| jupiterone |
| jeeze still a war about "Toy Buttons" going on? |
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| Tygon |
| Well this is no cheap club... not sure why they went with these... but I don't question... I just play :) |
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tygon
Well this is no cheap club... not sure why they went with these... but I don't question... I just play :) |
cheap towards their equipment. but then again we're only employed to play, and since we're not tiesto or pvd we can't really get away with saying get me my choice or i won't play. |
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| Tygon |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
jeeze still a war about "Toy Buttons" going on? |
Nope... no war anymore... just a conversation now...
To be honest with you, I think they may have actually put in these Denons before the 5000s, 800s and 1000s were even around... I mean they've got a million dollars in sound and lighting alone.. I don't think they went cheap on the equipment... they just haven't changed the setup in years. |
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| alligator |
| hey tygon i'm downloading your latest mixes of your website (trance side)...can't wait to hear them |
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| Tygon |
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
hey tygon i'm downloading your latest mixes of your website (trance side)...can't wait to hear them |
Sweet... I'm always open for feedback... check PM |
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