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| Allen&Bream |
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
any cd player that you would buy (at the moment) digitally imitates scratching compared to a tt.
i don't scratch, except every now and then when i'm ask to play some hip hop for some odd fellow that walks in and expect me to play the same song that he's heard on the radio 3 times that day. anyhow i use it sometimes when i just want to change the tempo.
here's an example, since everyone has been on my ass for saying effects don't know a sucker dj. because in the real world not all "dj" know what they're doing. i was working with this community center for a while to develope their entertaiment, and there was another guy that was supposed to be the dj during their nights. tried getting the 800's for the gigs, but he did not approve of them. why? simply because they have no effects, which means you must beat match, and play with your mixer during your set. so we get denon's and he was using the flagger and break buttons insanely. he over used them. he also couldn't beat match to save his own life, let alone realize you can't just cut a song and press play to the cued song.
i've seen this in a couple of places, they have good equipment, but are not trained for the job.
my $0.02 on the topic is that effects won't help you fake that you're a dj. |
And whats some guy who absolutly knows nothing about how to beatmatch...have to do with this thread?
Why's it matter if he couldn't beatmatch? I would use EFX if I had good EFX to play with. I LOVE the CDJ 200's...if they had scratching, they would be on my desk right now. The Cue button :crazy: how fast it is...the efx...omgosh, I love it.
The CDJ 1000's wouldn't have anything for him to play on...he would be FORCED to beatmatch and it would sound like balls all the way through with straight up music. At least with the denons you can do something about it.
Infact, I could do a whole mix on the denons and piss all over your 2 CDJ1000's you bought for $2500 when I bought one DenonS5000 brand new on ebay for $650 |
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| Axolotyl |
woo hoo... this thread never dies.
The Dennons do EXACTLY the same things as the pioneers aside from stop playback when you push down on the platter. The also have a waveform readout which admittedly the Dennons dont. Personally I find it completely useless ... but its there...
And just because the Dennons have more features than the Pios... that makes them LESS of a usable turntable because you ASSUME that anyone who prefers having access to these features DOESNT know how to beatmatch?
Hmm... yeah... thats logic... ;):rolleyes:
So by the same token you would assume DJ shadow or DJ Q-bert dont know how to beatmatch because they prefers turntablism to straight out beatmatching... ??!? |
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| alligator |
besides the simple fact that i stated "
effects don't help you fake your talents " i never said everyone who preffers a more effected rich cd players doesn't know how to dj...it is left to each person individually to chose their own medium to express himself. each player has some features that make it unique.
the choice between these do do not mean anything, but if you chose one player with tons of features because you have not grasped the technique it will not help you.
turntabalism, how did that get invovled in this? i have great respect for people who practice turntabalism, but what they do is not the same |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
besides the simple fact that i stated "
...it is left to each person individually to chose their own medium to express himself. each player has some features that make it unique.
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I think that is an educated and well balanced statement and sums it up nicely. DJing is about expression. If simple yet solid beatmixing is what does it for you, then fair enough. Pioneer is the one to choose. Simple, straight forward and good at what they do.
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
the choice between these do do not mean anything, but if you chose one player with tons of features because you have not grasped the technique it will not help you.
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Agreed. Beatmixing is the basis of mixing dance music. I can-not see how one would mix trance, techno, house or DnB without having a solid grasp of it. And infact, this furthers my point, I would say that to utilise fx within a set, you need to be VERY quick with the beatmatching. For the first 6 months, I used hardly any of the the features on the DNS5000s. Its only now after a lot of practice am I seeing the potential of these decks to do very cool and expressive stuff.
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
turntabalism, how did that get invovled in this? i have great respect for people who practice turntabalism, but what they do is not the same |
Because I brought it up ;) Its not exaclty the same, but its relevant to the point I'm trying to make. Just because someone doesnt mix their whole set A to B to C beatmixed seamlessly, doesnt mean you can assume they dont know how to beatmix. Trance DJs seems to be obsessed with beatmixing and while thats all good and well, theres a whole other world of options available that are only limited by your creativity.
OK, peace now... :tongue2 |
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| Specimen303 |
If we skip the part "i owe them so they're the most bestest" :D
I'm looking for a good pair of cd-players/doubledeck cd-player for homeuse. I don't need no advanced fx buttons (i can buy an external efx unit for that), i don't need scratching plate (i have 3 sl12xx tts for that), what i need is relyable unit(s) which won't break in a year or two, something good for beatmatching and basic homeuse. So what would you suggest?
2x cdj-200
2x cdj-800
2x cdj-1000
2x dn-s3000
2x dn-s5000
dn-d6000
dn-d9000
cmx-3000
2xdnz1200
and why? Money isn't the issue relyability is.
I normally mix hard dance (hardstyle, hardtrance, hardhouse, hardnrg, freeform, hardtechno, schranz, acid techno) with tts, but recently i've bought several (pogressive/)trance cds just for alternation and it would be really nice to be able to mix them aswell. |
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| Tenshi |
| if money isn't an issue get 2 cdj 1000s :) |
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| Ryan0751 |
Double units are a bit cramped to use.
I'd say the CDJ-200's are what you want. They are very accurate with .02% pitch resolution, no scratching or built-in effects, and they are nicely priced.
| quote: | Originally posted by Specimen303
If we skip the part "i owe them so they're the most bestest" :D
I'm looking for a good pair of cd-players/doubledeck cd-player for homeuse. I don't need no advanced fx buttons (i can buy an external efx unit for that), i don't need scratching plate (i have 3 sl12xx tts for that), what i need is relyable unit(s) which won't break in a year or two, something good for beatmatching and basic homeuse. So what would you suggest?
2x cdj-200
2x cdj-800
2x cdj-1000
2x dn-s3000
2x dn-s5000
dn-d6000
dn-d9000
cmx-3000
2xdnz1200
and why? Money isn't the issue relyability is.
I normally mix hard dance (hardstyle, hardtrance, hardhouse, hardnrg, freeform, hardtechno, schranz, acid techno) with tts, but recently i've bought several (pogressive/)trance cds just for alternation and it would be really nice to be able to mix them aswell. |
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tenshi
if money isn't an issue get 2 cdj 1000s :) |
Money is ALWAYS an issue. Why spend all that extra cash on something you won't use? Buy more music :) |
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Axolotyl
Because I brought it up ;) Its not exaclty the same, but its relevant to the point I'm trying to make. Just because someone doesnt mix their whole set A to B to C beatmixed seamlessly, doesnt mean you can assume they dont know how to beatmix. Trance DJs seems to be obsessed with beatmixing and while thats all good and well, theres a whole other world of options available that are only limited by your creativity.
OK, peace now... :tongue2 |
depends on your creativity...:)
there are as many different types of mixing as there are dj's, as each one of us does it his own way. yes you learn by watching others, but you improve yourself as you see fit. different types of music do ask for different styles...you are totally right in trance the basis is beatmatching... |
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Specimen303
If we skip the part "i owe them so they're the most bestest" :D
I'm looking for a good pair of cd-players/doubledeck cd-player for homeuse. I don't need no advanced fx buttons (i can buy an external efx unit for that), i don't need scratching plate (i have 3 sl12xx tts for that), what i need is relyable unit(s) which won't break in a year or two, something good for beatmatching and basic homeuse. So what would you suggest?
2x cdj-200
2x cdj-800
2x cdj-1000
2x dn-s3000
2x dn-s5000
dn-d6000
dn-d9000
cmx-3000
2xdnz1200
and why? Money isn't the issue relyability is.
I normally mix hard dance (hardstyle, hardtrance, hardhouse, hardnrg, freeform, hardtechno, schranz, acid techno) with tts, but recently i've bought several (pogressive/)trance cds just for alternation and it would be really nice to be able to mix them aswell. |
if you like a double deck then so be it, but i think most of the ta's would agree that if you can afford get to separat players. makes life so much easier
second: if you can afford them then the decision should be easy either cdj 1000mkII or denon 5000. yes as this whole thread was about debating which player is better. i believe that the denon 5000 is about $400 less expensive (here in canada) for a brand new one.
if you can't afford this, then try the cdj 800. similar model, will definetly do the job. i think either model will be reliable enough to suit your needs.
as an addition, since you're obviously used to tt's, then the pioneer models will be a great addition. the vinyl option will make that transition easier (yes i know the denon's have it, but he did mention he doesn't care for effects on the players). the small jog wheels on the dual players are not as accurate (in my opinion) and i always have a bit of trouble adjusting if that's all i have available.
hope this helps |
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| Allen&Bream |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Double units are a bit cramped to use.
I'd say the CDJ-200's are what you want. They are very accurate with .02% pitch resolution, no scratching or built-in effects, and they are nicely priced. |
I'd reccomend those also. Very good decks. Only 2 built in EFX (Nicely chosen which ones too), the beat cutter, cue, .02% pitch resolution. It's basically a CDJ 1000 without 3 hotcues and scratching. Very much cheaper, very nice deck for pure beatmatching. |
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| Tygon |
I'm not sure what the big debate is about... most mixers available on the market today have a wide variety of effects. It's only since digital media has become more accepted that effects were incorporated into the CD Deck... Most young DJs choose CDs as their primary media because it's much more cost efficient... which means that perhaps they can go cheaper on a mixer too (which won't include the effects I'm referring to).
Also, I think you guys are harping on the whole effects issue way too much... mixing skill aside, effects are FAR TOO OVERUSED today... when I listen to demos I get sick of hearing the same flanger/modulation/delay used in a majority of the transitions... as it was said before, there's more recognition for a DJ that can be creative without the use of these stereotypical effects. BE CREATIVE PEOPLE... BE UNIQUE... effects are pure cheese and don't do much for your mixes especially when you play in clubs and even more so in your demos! |
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