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FIFA World Cup 2006 - PvD & Peter Gabriel (pg. 3)
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| miamitranceman |
| There's always gonna be DJ Sammys, but there's nothing wrong with the genre itself getting more general exposure, that's good for everyone in the industry. |
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| thesuperfunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
Hey, I have a question? SO WHAT if trance becomes more mainstream!? |
You get this 'ASOT' syndrome with labels starting up, pushing out anything & flooding the market with mediocre crap. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
There's always gonna be DJ Sammys, but there's nothing wrong with the genre itself getting more general exposure, that's good for everyone in the industry. |
I agree, I have nothing against PvD playing at Fifa 2006. Trance needs to get more mainstream attention, and not the DJ Sammy, Ian Van Dahl..Lasgo crap thats out there. Paul van Dyk has always produced very good music, it isn't even all necessarily trance either. Granted some of the tracks on his lated album weren't that great in my opinion, but as long as what is mainstream is of good quality, there is nothing wrong with it. Paul Oakenfold really tried going mainstream and then he started to suck, but the formula is introducing more people to TRANCE and other styles of EDM. It is not trying to sound mainstream or pop-orientated, but put up the stuff that is out there for a broader audience, and by events like this will help.
The U.S. is especially lacking in its trance, as other countries have big events with trance music (Dance Valley for instance) and America doesn't have many of these events. Tiesto is supposed to do a Tiesto In Concert in America next fall, so this would help as well. I own both of the Tiesto In Concert DVDs and I think they are awesome. I don't neccessarily think it's "Tiesto Selling out" as some people do, true the Disney thing sounds kind of silly as well, but if this is what it takes to get the music out there, then thats fine. It seems like the place was packed and people were having fun. I hope that it sells well in America as well too. The music can't stay underground forever. Also to add, I think people would and should embrace trance and other forms of EDM, since I see that EDM producers and DJs don't get into trouble nearly as much (if not at all) where a lot of rap stars do. I'm not knocking rap, I just don't think EDM producers and DJs have the bad rap that rappers do. EDM producers and DJs in my opinion, are also much more innovative and the music is largely made the same way rap is (through computers), so I see no reason why it can't be more popular. |
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| thesuperfunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I agree, I have nothing against PvD playing at Fifa 2006. Trance needs to get more mainstream attention, and not the DJ Sammy, Ian Van Dahl..Lasgo crap thats out there. Paul van Dyk has always produced very good music, it isn't even all necessarily trance either. Granted some of the tracks on his lated album weren't that great in my opinion, but as long as what is mainstream is of good quality, there is nothing wrong with it. Paul Oakenfold really tried going mainstream and then he started to suck, but the formula is introducing more people to TRANCE and other styles of EDM. It is not trying to sound mainstream or pop-orientated, but put up the stuff that is out there for a broader audience, and by events like this will help.
The U.S. is especially lacking in its trance, as other countries have big events with trance music (Dance Valley for instance) and America doesn't have many of these events. Tiesto is supposed to do a Tiesto In Concert in America next fall, so this would help as well. I own both of the Tiesto In Concert DVDs and I think they are awesome. I don't neccessarily think it's "Tiesto Selling out" as some people do, true the Disney thing sounds kind of silly as well, but if this is what it takes to get the music out there, then thats fine. It seems like the place was packed and people were having fun. I hope that it sells well in America as well too. The music can't stay underground forever. Also to add, I think people would and should embrace trance and other forms of EDM, since I see that EDM producers and DJs don't get into trouble nearly as much (if not at all) where a lot of rap stars do. I'm not knocking rap, I just don't think EDM producers and DJs have the bad rap that rappers do. EDM producers and DJs in my opinion, are also much more innovative and the music is largely made the same way rap is (through computers), so I see no reason why it can't be more popular. |
Do you not see that this extra 'mainstream attention' is the cause of the DJ Sammy/Lasgo type artists? If there wasn't a demand for it then labels wouldn't be pushing it out.
You've just admitted that Tiesto doing the Disneyland thing was 'silly' ... do you really believe that the worlds 'no.1 DJ' playing Disneyland is what's needed to help future of trance? If Oakenfold's attempt to bring it to the mainstream failed miserably so why should this venture be any better? |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesuperfunk
Do you not see that this extra 'mainstream attention' is the cause of all the DJ Sammy/Lasgo type artists? If there wasn't a demand for it then labels wouldn't be pushing it out.
You've just admitted that Tiesto doing the Disneyland thing was 'silly' ... do you really believe that the worlds 'no.1 DJ' playing Disneyland is what's needed to help future of trance? If Oakenfold's attempt to bring it to the mainstream failed miserably so why should this venture be any better? |
Responding to your first comment, the mainstream attention is on these artists for many reasons, I don't like these artists. What I was saying is that the way to go mainstream isn't being another one of these artists, but appealing to a larger base. That doesn't mean trying to sound mainstream...or pop orientated as these artists have done, in other words, cheesy. If people were exposed to good QUALITY trance and not this stuff that isn't even trance (more like euro-dance) and if people stopped referreing this stuff as trance, then maybe that would be a good step in distinguishing them and allowing REAL trance to be played.
I admitted that it was a little silly to do it there, and I don't think that playing at Disney is the best way to get mainstream attention. Events like "Tiesto In Concert" and PvD playing at Fifa are. I mean as long as people go to these events like Tiesto In Concert in America, and if the music and the Artists/DJs get the attention they deserve (esp in America where it's lacking) then thats fine with me. I welcome the music to be played in large events, for DJs to not be stuck just doing clubs, but events that truly show the music for what it is. As long as they promote it well, have REAL QUALITY TRANCE and EDM then thats fine. If other forms of music were first played in clubs and then they went mainstream, why can't trance do the same? Esp like i've said in America where it is particularly lacking in play and attention, other than within the club-scene and DJ and producer circles as well.
I will admit that there is a huge event that happens every year in Detroit (it goes by a different name each year but its really the Detroit Electronic Music Festival). It mostly features techno, but has some hip hop and house as well. However they don't never have style they trance and prog on the roster. So if its not Tiesto In Concert, then something else, like big events such as the one I mentioned (dance valley) where all different styles are played by quality DJs and artists then thats great. This is what the America scene needs, it needs to progress. |
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| Spirit5 |
If Oakenfold's attempt to bring it to the mainstream failed miserably so why should this venture be any better? [/QUOTE]
With Bunkka, Oakenfold, in my opinion, was tyring too hard to sound mainstream. He wasn't really promoting trance or prog or other styles, it was kind of a mix bag of music. Largely Bunkka turned out to be a really messy album that had no direction. As long as the producer has direction, yet can also be open minded and eclectic, then thats fine with me. If Tiesto can display a good variety of the different sounds he plays (and in his In Concert sets he does play a variety of sounds and moods) then thats great. Sure it isn't a perfect event, no event is 100%. If Tiesto In Concert in America fails then maybe they have to try something else. |
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| TranceSpeeder |
| hey this is great news! |
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| arthurdj |
His next album is gonna be "The Parade of The Money"
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| DRM |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
How would this be awesome? It would be . And also hypocritical. |
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| mechant schanti |
| ha ha... pvd eating his own words! cant believe he makes such a big u-turn. he keeps on dissin tiesto while he is on our tv sets every night for motorola...and now the world cup... idiot! |
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| DJ NGE |
You guys are funny: No reliable source ever mentioned what Paul will do exactly, but you already talk about a "sell-out" and . Wait until you know, what Paul's role will be, then talk.
(I could imagine that he will be responsible for a Hymn together with Peter Gabriel and / or Brian Eno) |
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| noonboy |
If I find those rumors to be correct, he's lost all the small amount of respect I still had left for him.
...whatever that matters. Damn media-whore! |
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