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Guantanamo Bay Poll: Open or Close?
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| ogvh5150 |
Should it remain open or be closed?
Yes or No
Please choose wisely.
You won't get another chance.
Flames welcome but stick On Topic.
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it cost nothing to be a patriot.
Mark Twain
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Abraham Lincoln
The Pavlovian strategy in public relations has people conditioned more and more to ask themselves, "What do other people think?" As a result, a common delusion is created: people are incited to think what other people think, and thus public opinion may mushroom out into a mass prejudice.
Joost Meerloo
The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing |
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| Spacey Orange |
| it never should have been opened. |
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| Fir3start3r |
New CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll is out:
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As you may know, since 2001, the United States has held people from other countries who are suspected of being terrorists at a detention facility in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the US should continue to operate this facility or do you think the US should close this facility and transfer the prisoners to other facilities?
Continue to operate: 58
Close facility: 36
No opinion: 6
- In general, do you approve or disapprove of the way the US is treating the prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba?
Approve: 52
Disapprove: 37
No opinion: 11
- Do you approve/disapprove strongly, or not strongly?
Approve, strongly: 33
Approve, not strongly: 19
Disapprove, not strongly: 14
Disapprove, strongly: 23
No opinion: 11
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The White House on Tuesday rejected the proposed creation of an independent commission to investigate abuses of detainees held at the U.S. military prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and elsewhere.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the Pentagon has launched 10 major investigations into allegations of abuse, and that system was working well.
"People are being held to account," he said. "And we think that's the way to go about this."
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Appears the unfounded comments of "Turbin Durbin" have worked in favour for GITMO...
White House Castigates Durbin for Remarks
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| ogvh5150 |
The Pavlovian strategy in public relations has people conditioned more and more to ask themselves, "What do other people think?" As a result, a common delusion is created: people are incited to think what other people think, and thus public opinion may mushroom out into a mass prejudice.
Joost Meerloo
The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
The Pavlovian strategy in public relations has people conditioned more and more to ask themselves, "What do other people think?" As a result, a common delusion is created: people are incited to think what other people think, and thus public opinion may mushroom out into a mass prejudice.
Joost Meerloo
The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing |
The assumption being that no facts were actually involved in the decision process...
There is also a Pavlovian Internet condition to believe everything that comes across one's monitor... |
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| ogvh5150 |
The inquisitive human mind is never satisfied with a simple recital of facts. As soon as it observes a set of data, it jumps into the area of theory and offers explanations, but the way a man sees a set of facts, and the way he juggles them to build them into a theory is largely determined by his own biases and prejudices.
Joost Meerloo
The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing |
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| Fir3start3r |
| The irony being that you're quoting from the same book...:p |
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| Dunya |
| Closed :rolleyes: .... |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The irony being that you're quoting from the same book...:p |
I could find some Pavlov quotes:
As regards the condition of the hemispheres themselves, an alert state of the nervous system is absolutely essential for the formation of a new conditioned reflex. If the dog is mostly drowsy during the experiments, the establishment of a conditioned reflex becomes a long and tedious process, and in extreme cases is impossible to accomplish. The hemispheres must, however, be free from any other nervous activity, and therefore in building up a new conditioned reflex it is important to avoid foreign stimuli which, falling upon the animal, would cause other reactions of their own. If this is not attended to, the establishment of a conditioned reflex is very difficult, if not impossible.
Conditioned Reflexes: An Investigation of the Physiological Activity of the Cerebral Cortex
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| shaolin_Z |
closed because:
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Guantánamo Bay - a human rights scandal
Guantánamo: An icon of lawlessness
Who are the Guantánamo detainees? Bosnian, Mustafa Ait Idir
"Muhamed was four when Mustafa was taken away...I keep telling him that his father is on a business trip...Lately I noticed that he is not that happy and excited anymore. I think that he doesn't believe me..."
Who are the Guantánamo detainees? Yemeni, Abdel Malik Abdel Wahab
"If you have any evidence against me that shows I am an enemy of the United States or that I fought against the United States, I am willing to face that trial"
Hypocrisy, an overarching war mentality and a disregard for basic human rights principles and international legal obligations continue to mark the USA's "war on terror". Serious human rights violations are the inevitable result.
The detention camp at the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay in Cuba has become a symbol of the US administration’s refusal to put human rights and the rule of law at the heart of its response to the atrocities of 11 September 2001. Hundreds of people of around 35 different nationalities remain held in effect in a legal black hole, many without access to any court, legal counsel or family visits.
As evidence of torture and widespread cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment mounts, it is more urgent than ever that the US Government bring the Guantánamo Bay detention camp and any other facilities it is operating outside the USA into full compliance with international law and standards. The only alternative is to close them down.
In depth report
Guantánamo and beyond: The continuing pursuit of unchecked executive power
It is nearly a year since the United States Supreme Court ruled that US courts have the jurisdiction to consider appeals from detainees in Guantánamo Bay. This report shows how the US administration, in seeking to block judicial review every step of the way, has ensured that not a single detainee has had the lawfulness of his detention judicially reviewed. And though over a year since the Abu Ghraib torture scandal broke, the conditions remain in place for torture and ill-treatment, in Guantánamo Bay and beyond, to occur.
Read the full report
Spotlight on Guantanámo Bay
Murat Kurnaz"Why Murat was arrested – I don’t know myself, I really don’t know…The Washington Post has also recently written that he is innocent."
Murat Kurnaz has been detained in Guantanámo Bay for three and a half years. His mother, Rabiye Kurnaz talks about the Turkish, German and US authorities that are doing nothing to help her and her son.
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source:Amnesty International |
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| kutvolkots |
Yeah.. and amnisty's objective..
I'm against The bay though. Fair trial please also who is Bush to tell others what's right and what's wrong on a world scale it's stupid enough that an administration can determin that for a whole country. Everyone should determin that for themselves imo. |
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