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Are you indirectly killing the music scene? (pg. 4)
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| toonpunk |
I think TA has an influence on the scene but at the end of the day Good DJ's play the music they love regardless of anything else...
and that's what makes them good DJ's
I love when someone drops a track that I haven't heard in ages... |
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| Mike_Foyle |
dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs.
Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe |
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| NuDarkBeat |
| no y0u are wr0ng PR0GRessive 1S 1337z0rz!!!!!!!!!!:tongue2 |
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| weymouth |
We cant make random statements about TA ruining the trance scene without actual facts and numbers. We need to know:
1) How many TAs go to live shows?
2) How many TAs buy their music?
3) How many TAs post on a considerable basis about the music?
4) How many DJs visit TA to read reviews and critisms?
5) How many DJs actually change their live sets based on internet groups?
6) How many TAs opinions have changed based on a message board and not listening to the music?
7) What is the percentage of people that go to live shows, are they members of an internet community or not?
After we knew all those numbers and figured out all the percentages no one would give a flying because it is still an internet website. |
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| Inertia |
this DOES NOT kill the music industry. when opening this thread, i was almost feeling guilty, thinking it would be about mp3 piracy, not just on the POV of stealing a track, rather killing the industry that is responsible for the great music you want so much that you steal it.
when i read this. well. IMO, it does not deter the industry, rather it sets the standards higher. and IT HAS to exist. and should be stronger really. this community of trainspotters is the product of DJs being overhyped and great ones not getting enough credit. the product of crappy hype tracks being caned all the time, and great, not very famous ones not gtting enough play. the product of giant super-DJs who's head got stuck in their own asses because it got too big throwing 'rock concert' style events with 25000 people and everyone praising them for their redundant, mass appeal tracklists that attract completely ignorant people to the scene and start to destroy the principle, making it all about money.
i've been called a trainspotter once and again, because i seem to know about music, and i keep current with new tracks. my favorite DJ on earth, Frank Lorber, played the Jesper Dahlback Remix of Panash's Jack 2 Jack on saturday, twice. i DID NOT like this, as it is a nice track, but i've heard it way too many times as it is. listening to Lorber is a marvelous experience, both on the technical side as the musical taste side, and i did like his set, but i feel i have to critique him for that.
we do it because, if a bedroom DJ is mixing beautifully, playing all new tracks all the time, and never screwing up, the big DJs, the role models to those bedroom kids, the guys that get paid to do this, and paid VERY ING WELL, should do it better than the bedroom kids. THAT's why trainspotters do it. i mean, a super DJ should be a complete music freak. people seem to have lost sight of that. it's his job to go out and look for the newest, freshest sounds. it's his only obligation to mix flawlessly. it is supposed to be the main thing in his life. the whole snorting cocaine, being famous, believing you are a living god, not appreciating your fans, accepting awards and ing club skanks should come second, not first. it's supposed to be about, and only about the music.
/rant.
sure, some of us trainspotters do go overboard. and any DJ can have an off night. when you go too far, i'll be the first to say it's an exaggerated criticism. but for guys who wake up at whatever time they want to, don't have anything else to do than practice their mixing and buy new records, or actually be out spinning, and have beein doing it for over a decade, some things are unacceptable. |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs.
Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe |
Hahahah, nice view, we'll hafta have a chat at the MPFS party end of august :D |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Of course, but this is totally irrelevant to the issue I addressed, namely:
*Missing quote* |
To be honest, that's a load of e. Producers aren't always forced to make commercial music. The only cases of that happening is when a producer makes a big hit then decides to go all leftfield now they have an established name. Examples of such are Orbital or FSOL, and the producer usually merely switches labels. |
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| JM007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MR FLOW
Just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
I have notice how annorak like some peoples comments are on this website and how tune spotting a lot of you are. Which is fine as everyone is entitled to do what they want and talk about what they want.
However Almost every dj i have spoke to about this subject thinks that you guys are killing the industry. Due to constant moaning, Every dj has to play the newest stuff out or they will be barracked and slated by people on forums such as this one for playing tunes that were(dare i say it!) one month old!!
Also if a single mix goes out of place they are labelled a rubbish dj and are also in line for a Slating. This i find most unfair.
Now I don't know what you all listen to dance music for but I for one listen to it to have a good time and because i enjoy the music. This was what i originally did for a few years but i have felt since 2000 people have started taking dance music far too seriously due to people being what i would say is a bit to geeky about dance music.
Now I expect to be called every name under the sun after stating this but i would appriciate some constructive critisim back if you are going to say anything.
Your Thoughts???? |
I totally agree with you.A good set ,for me, doesn't consist ONLY of new songs,I love mixes with new and old songs in them.Because of this criticism some dj's don't "dear" to play those great old songs anymore.What a pity. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Bull. Nobody gets FORCED to play or create anything. The problem is that these DJs are too cowardly to break loose and try something different, and conform to these wishes and requests in order to keep their paycheck and/or popularity up. |
exactly |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs.
Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe |
while Ory was, and still is, quite blatant, and is trigger happy to insult anyone, he possesses musical knowledge enviable by most people of any age. i think you should criticize him for how he acts rather than what he is, because few at 16 know as much as he does. he has great taste in music, and quite some concept about mixing. you using his age to devalue his character is a cheap shot IMO.
and i don't see what's wrong about being a music geek. if you're a DJ. you spin music for a living. your JOB, (ie. what you do for a living, what pays your bills) is about this music, so isn't it quite logical for you to be a geek about it? also, if EDM is what you love most, even as a fan, then again, you are probably going to end up being a geek about it as well. finally, i don't see how having an educated (read: geeky) public in the scene damages it, rather than creating a community of music lovers who know what it's about, rather than people who will dance to anything, and keep making filling the pockets of mediocre superstar DJs whilst small and up and coming ones don't stand much chance. |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
Hahahah, nice view, we'll hafta have a chat at the MPFS party end of august :D |
isnt that in september? the one im at is on the 9th i think. |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
while Ory was, and still is, quite blatant, and is trigger happy to insult anyone, he possesses musical knowledge enviable by most people of any age. i think you should criticize him for how he acts rather than what he is, because few at 16 know as much as he does. he has great taste in music, and quite some concept about mixing. you using his age to devalue his character is a cheap shot IMO.
and i don't see what's wrong about being a music geek. if you're a DJ. you spin music for a living. your JOB, (ie. what you do for a living, what pays your bills) is about this music, so isn't it quite logical for you to be a geek about it? also, if EDM is what you love most, even as a fan, then again, you are probably going to end up being a geek about it as well. finally, i don't see how having an educated (read: geeky) public in the scene damages it, rather than creating a community of music lovers who know what it's about, rather than people who will dance to anything, and keep making filling the pockets of mediocre superstar DJs whilst small and up and coming ones don't stand much chance. |
ok sorry lol (im too tired to write a reply) but i still don't entirely agree. valid points being raised by both sides of this really. one thing i will say though, the people who im reffering to as geeks are the critics rather than the djs. i still stand by my view that if you dont like something you should get over it and listen to what you do like. :) |
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