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[anthem]State of Matter - Sapphire Storm (Ethereal REMIX) (pg. 2)
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| pho mo |
Really nice tune man!
Agree with the others on most points - really awesome tune, old-school feel, excellent production. The sine on 2/4 works wonders.
And I agree about the breaks section - it sounds great for the first half, because despite the cutting up you've managed to keep the essence of the rhythm and it's flow - but I couldn't really move to the second half, it does lose it a bit.
This really is well produced, all of the sounds work very nicely together. Congrats! |
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| DigiNut |
Had to listen when I read that there was a breaks section. :)
The stutters and glitches are very well done - as someone who listens to an insane amount of breaks as well as producing them, I have to say I'm very impressed. Especially with the filters/pitch shifts/etc. that you've used to keep things moving. IMO, they just need to be packed a little less close together. This would be perfect for a full-fledged glitchy electro breaks tune; with the relatively smooth synths in the foreground, though, it kind of feels like the drums and melody are fighting for attention. The actual edits themselves are great, it's just the placement of them I think should be adjusted.
In my listening experience at least, stutters and glitches tend to happen most often in rhythmic sections where there is not a lot of melodic content (even if it's a melodic track). If they do occur during a melodic moment, then usually there is some additional processing to make them sit back in the mix. For example, the edits you have at 3:15 and 3:36 have perfect flow and "push" the track; the sequence of edits around 3:23 - 3:30, on the other hand, kind of "pull" the track - does that make sense?
Just spread them out a bit, push some of them further back in the mix, and I think that section would kick some serious ass. I'd love to know how you set up some of those glitches, but I don't expect you to share your trade secrets... |
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| EtherealSL |
***UPDATE***
CLICK HERE
^same link as beginnign post, but different sample
mainly focused on fixing breaks, tried to make the build into the mainsection a little stronger, fixed the vocals, tweaked lead... and some other stuff i don't remember.
diginut: glad you appreciated the little stutters and cuts, yes, they are definately too close together... i felt like i crammed to many edits into that confined space. but this is already fixed.
i've noticed with a classic trance type song it's gonna be either like it or hate it. it's definately an older style to trance but it works and it works well, i see this remix as a sort of tribute to that era of trance (a very good era, imo). |
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| gerrycueto |
or just be like John O Callighan and take old 1998 trance and update it with new instruments... :P you can't go wrong if you take old ideas and make them new... however, you will get criticized making old ideas with the old sounds.
i like this new version and the lead is phat, but I think the sounds in general are a bit too plastic?
great pads and breakbeat!! oh ... gotta love the stutters.. hehe yeah great tune so far. nothing real groundbreaking IMO since those arps just recently went out of style... however if you took something old like 20 years old, and made it new, then you'd be really cool :) |
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| dannyc |
| ha ha yeah stick a couple of jazz synteseisers in there and some rhodes piano stabs then you'll be really cool :D |
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| JoeyEnv |
I'm definately feeling this one Eth.
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| EtherealSL |
| quote: | Originally posted by gerrycueto
or just be like John O Callighan and take old 1998 trance and update it with new instruments... :P you can't go wrong if you take old ideas and make them new... however, you will get criticized making old ideas with the old sounds. |
ehh, disagreed. the saw in general is used A LOT. sure not as much as "1998" but sure is not dead, as much as people want it to be dead.
but there are still lots of people that love arps. even last summer in ibiza, when i went, the saw arp's presence was DEFINATELY felt. it works well in clubs.
this track is by no means, a sellout track. i like to stay original but it's fun to try the saw arp style.
btw joey: thanks!
anybody else care to listen? |
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| Subtle |
listening,
the snare is really cool, the bass is nice too, percussions are alright.. i didnt like the lead its sounds too raw i think, too sawy, i dunno, and the breakbeat section, i think was really, really bad.. not cause it sounds bad, but its the excact same breakbeat as in Orana Project - Blu Storm.. that is a special track which cant have duplicated sections from it in another track..
otherwise, nice production :) |
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| EtherealSL |
| subtle: the lead is a saw, i think it's okay if it's sawy :) . perhaps you mean it's too bright when you say "raw" ?? also, the breakbeat section is by absolutely no means even similar to the one in blue storm. i suggest you listen to that track again to compare: different lenghts, different edits and cuts, different filters, even different samples. hell, i even used different methods in doing the two breakbeats. so i'm really confused by what you mean, you're gonna ahve to elaborate a bit. thanks for the comment, tho. |
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| Subtle |
| i havent compared them, It instantly reminded me of the Breakbeat in Blu Storm, it starts the same way.. it sounds the same, it sure is an awesome breakbeat, but too similar, and since its in that track, it doesnt sound good in this track imo.. |
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| EtherealSL |
i understand what you're saying... that the basic pattern of the breakbeats are similar, but i mean, that doesn't make them the same. all trance songs have the same beat (4x4) so that doesn't make them all exactly the same. the intro's are different however, when you inspect them closer.
i understand what you mean, that they sound similar... that's probably why they're both called breakbeats. i dunno if you listen to breaks a lot or not, but a lot of them have similar patterns but they're still completely different songs due to edits and melodies and other things.
o well |
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| Subtle |
i see what you mean, but i think the breakbeat in Blu Storm, is excellent, original.. and should be kept to that tune only..
alot of tune have similarities, but when the same producers, uses a sound, which is very unique, and highly recogniceable, in another tune, it becomes annoying imo.. recognicable marks should be in the kinda subtle sounds of the track..
thats what i think anyhow.. gosh, i wish i could make breakbeats like that though.. |
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