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PHD July 23rd.. (pg. 2)
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| Paulie |
| Thats stepped over the line by quite a bit imo. |
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| Antistatic |
| I don't think it was supposed to be funny. |
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| tachyon |
funny or not, the line has to be drawn somewhere. making fun of a tragedy is overstepping it.
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| DaveBegic |
yeah.. and while we all have a dig at phd and everything else, phd didnt force anyone to take anything, its not their fault if people inside their club decide to play with drugs.
from what i hear even people at heat nightclub are all drug ed these days. |
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| escee |
| they provide a forum to partake in it with other like minded individuals though, so if I was playing devil's advocate (you know, which I never ever do ever, in the whole world) then it could be argued they have to take some responsibility. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by escee
they provide a forum to partake in it with other like minded individuals though, so if I was playing devil's advocate (you know, which I never ever do ever, in the whole world) then it could be argued they have to take some responsibility. |
no way. its an individual's choice hence an individual's responsibility. esp since didnt she die outside the club? |
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| escee |
but she wouldn't have had that opportunity to do it if the club wasn't there. From what the article wrote it sounds like people go to cars buy drugs and then go back to the club, it seems the club was quite lucky to have her not die inside.
Sure it's the individuals choice to take drugs, but would they have chosen the same thing if they were not in PHD surrounded by other drug ed people who wanted to keep partying OR if PHD had tried to promote a drug free environment?
Who knows. |
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| Paulie |
| Day clubs with a no pass out policy, and 0 tolerance on drugs, ie anyone seen consuming or having drugs kicked out asap. Its the only solution. |
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| jizza |
| quote: | Originally posted by escee
but she wouldn't have had that opportunity to do it if the club wasn't there. From what the article wrote it sounds like people go to cars buy drugs and then go back to the club, it seems the club was quite lucky to have her not die inside.
Sure it's the individuals choice to take drugs, but would they have chosen the same thing if they were not in PHD surrounded by other drug ed people who wanted to keep partying OR if PHD had tried to promote a drug free environment?
Who knows. |
oh nose escee :( too many ifs and buts. believe it or not, people continue taking drugs thru the next day - with or without clubs. it just so happens PHD was the location (albeit not at the time of the death) on this particular, tragic occassion. |
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| Anomyst |
It cant be stopped..
There is little we can do about it. But i know that 2 years ago i did a short corse in first aid plus the advanced resussitation course and CPR training because i was continually placed in a position where people were getting into trouble at parties/carparks ect, some friends some not. It happens and cant be avoided (Most just forget that its real and someones life is in danger). but the approach i have now on the situation is to help where help is needed.
Because of this i can happily say my efforts have saved lives.
Yeah its ed but what else can we do. |
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| chubbs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
Day clubs with a no pass out policy, and 0 tolerance on drugs, ie anyone seen consuming or having drugs kicked out asap. Its the only solution. |
On this subject, I think I have to make a few points.
PHD is run by two of the most loving, genuine and responsible people I have ever met, and they openly and strongly detest the use of drugs.
Brendan (Soul-T) and Jill (the owners) have a family, and have helped numerous people get off drugs and clean themselves up. PHD actively frown on G usage in all its forms anywhere.
I mean, PHD sells "Say no to G" badges, and anyone that is caught using G or even overheard talking about G usage is removed from the club. And I mean this with complete honesty, I have seen people literally dragged down the stairs of Altitude and thrown out onto Russell St over this.
It wasn't PHD's fault this occured. Drug usage is rife among the dance community in Melbourne, not just PHD. PHD isn't the only day club in Melbourne either. |
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| xtractorfan |
| quote: | Originally posted by narcism
wonder if this chick will be going
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Thats a stupid comment. Crosses a line called decency if you ask me.
| quote: | [b]Originally posted by escee
they provide a forum to partake in it with other like minded individuals though
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Every club, pub, bar and lounge can be considered a 'forum' for drug use. People take drugs everywhere from the Prince to Heat, Room to PHD. You cannot logically single out, and place the blame on, PHD as the only place this type of behaviour occurs. The fact of the matter is this girl was at PHD left to go to a car, swallowed a large quantity of GHB and died. It could have just as easily been that she was leaving an event at Room.
| quote: | [b]Originally posted by escee
but she wouldn't have had that opportunity to do it if the club wasn't there. From what the article wrote it sounds like people go to cars buy drugs and then go back to the club, it seems the club was quite lucky to have her not die inside.
Sure it's the individuals choice to take drugs, but would they have chosen the same thing if they were not in PHD surrounded by other drug ed people who wanted to keep partying OR if PHD had tried to promote a drug free environment?
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Wouldnt have had the oppotunity? Im sure PHD wasnt her first clubbing experience, she had obviously used illicit substances at night clubs in the past (even that night prior to her death). What your saying is that without this one specific club she would never have had the opportunity to use drugs and risk an overdose. We both know this is just not true, there is no PHD in Sydney yet im sure people have the oppotunity to use drugs there, including GHB.
The second part of that quote is a moot point. She obviously did choose the same thing (ie. taking drugs) while she was not at PHD. She had used the night before and most likely on other nights and at other clubs in the past.
The point im trying to make is that people will take drugs regardless of whether you close down PHD, all day clubs, all night clubs, etc. It is not a condition of entry to these places that you must go to your car during your time there and unwittingly OD and die. Its unfortunate and quite tragic but the blame rests either in the hands of the girl or her friends who allowed her to die. |
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