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Iran hangs homosexuals (pg. 3)
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
- the feast of the canibal from Germany, whose victim had asked to be killed and eaten, |
Why? He doesn't like beef?
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- Schiavo's wish to be put to death (i.e. the illegal status of euthanasia), |
Euthanasia is sorta acceptable in many places.
But the principle is that people do not have a right to take any life (even their own), hence no suicide and hence you must wear a seatbelt.
Again see above, and also note many drugs have a huge indirect and direct negative toll on other individuals.
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- having sex before reaching the legal age, and specifically
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The legal age is when society belives a person is mature enough to have certain rights because they are physically mature enough to understand the responsibilties that go with them. If you are below that age, the argument goes, you can not comprehend the consequences as well.
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- the act of the US girl who got arrested because she took pictures of herself in the nude as a minor and sent them to friends. |
Same as above.
You don't happen to have a copy of those pictures do you though? I think Drug_Tito's birthday is coming up.... :D
| quote: | | If we allow such madness in our own society, how can we blame Iran for labelling homosexuality as a sin? |
Its not so much the labeling of homosexuality of a sin as is the consequences for that sin (beheading/hanging/stoning), especially when considering the age of the offenders.
If you would have locked the boys up for five years (I and suppose they didn't because they thought might like Prison too much ;) ) we wouldn't have heard of this. |
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
i hope to see the day when these mullahs and islamic extremists are drained of their blood while they are alive.
I truly wish from the bottom of my heart to see these people perish. They are evil... they promote the death cult of islam |
Yeah im with you also man, its a shame these people have no respect for human life. |
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| bubble |
| quote: | Originally posted by kush paintings
I have no idea how to read. I'm sorry. I just went out and bought all of the reading rainbow tapes, so give me a few weeks and hopefully I can decipher your language. |
i suggest that you save your receipt. |
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| bubble |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
listen to yourself. you just put tens of millions of American people i.e. "supporters", i.e. voters, in the same catagory as murderers. don't frikken play semantics with me then try and explain yourself through a Larry King episode. |
i named three persons. "millions of American people"? where did i write that? golly, maybe you're haullicinating too.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i'll play your game. the question is, which of the previous 10 presidents "aligned" themselves with the rabid alchemist of the religious right; people that bubbles thinks would endorse the public hanging of 16 year old homosexuals. hmmmmm...lets see...uh Truman? does he count. how about Eisenhower? Kennedy for sure. Reagan? maybe. Carter? |
dind-a-ling-a-ling! none. even the republicans heroes of the past didn't wear their religion on their sleeves or manipulate god-fearing people to get votes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
oooh! you found a pictuer the President in church with Dobson. Bush is Methodist. the UMC has got to be one of the most liberal mainstream churches on the planet. Dobson's a far right Protestant freak. the use of that picture for an argument is no more than propaganda. |
what you deny that it's real? i don't get you. you see things that aren't there, and now you deny things that are there?
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an i think you live in fear...of nothing |
i hope you don't hold that against me. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by bubble
i named three persons. "millions of American people"? where did i write that? golly, maybe you're haullicinating too. |
no...ass. you said this | quote: | | i don't expect much sympathy in the US adminstration because after all, bush is more aligned with people who'd do the same in the US if given the chance. |
a horrible, assinine, adolescent, reckless statement. followed by this.
| quote: | | nt bush gets more support from and relys upon, more persons who would tolerate the killing of homosexuals or would kill homosexuals, than any other modern president. by support, i mean manpower and financing |
OMG...and you defended it. what three people? you accuse us of not knowing how to read?
| quote: | | ling-a-ling! none. even the republicans heroes of the past didn't wear their religion on their sleeves or manipulate god-fearing people to get votes. |
yes they did. just cause you're not old enough to remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Clinton frequently referenced God and prayer attended church and courted numerous religious leaders. but he was a fake .
Reagan omg. was a very God fearing man.
look, thaats not the point here. you are way off base. you should take my advice and STFU already. it's embarassing enough to watch you
try and defend your remarks about "supporters want to murder queers in the steet" (paraphrasing) much less argue with some pubescent girl thats been lied to about it.
| quote: | | u deny that it's real? i don't get you. you see things that aren't there, and now you deny things that are there? |
it was taken at the Whitehouse on National Day of Prayer. how many religious leaders do you think were in that room then with the President? but again, what in the flying f#$k does that have to do with the topic other than what you think or have been told that you can't even begin to substantiate.
| quote: | | i hope you don't hold that against me |
your ghey. leave. |
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| kush paintings |
| I'm sorry, I wish I could contribute, but you see I cannot read. |
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| aK-M |
| lol q5, well said dude :D |
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| bubble |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
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that's the funniest i've seen here in a while. you win. i am totally wrong. i take back everything. geesh, bush and his supporters are pro-gay. satisfied? :stongue: |
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| kush paintings |
| You made an awful statement about Bush, based on nothing, and once you were proven to be talking out of your ass you have that to say. Very mature. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Why? He doesn't like beef?
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I think it was some kind of sexual fantasy. At least the two (the canibal and his meal) started out by eating the meals penis together. Don't think I can explain "why" that is sexy, but I still think that it is madness for society to interfere with their private life.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Euthanasia is sorta acceptable in many places.
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Huh? I know the Netherlands allows it (albeit in a very bureaucratic way), and Austria allows it too. But far the most western countries only allow euthanasia in the passive form (i.e. shutting off machines and letting the sufferer die slowly) if they allow it at all. That's crazy I think.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
But the principle is that people do not have a right to take any life (even their own), hence no suicide and hence you must wear a seatbelt.
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And why should that me rational? We don't prevent people from robbing themselves, or vandalizing their own property, do we? No, clearly this freaky distortment of the rights of the individual is due to some misguided "sacrity of life" mentality, which cannot be explained rationally as anything else than a ghost of former religious norms.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Again see above, and also note many drugs have a huge indirect and direct negative toll on other individuals.
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The good arguments against legalizing drugs taking this route, which I have been presented with, all have counter arguments. E.g. the burden of medical costs on society, due to treatment of drug users, is one good argument. However, it also costs society a lot to treat people with diseases brought on by excessive eating, living in polluted cities, smoking, having unprotected sex, etc. It seems arbitrary to single out drug users as the only "bad" self destructive behaviour. Similarly with the argument that drug addicts can be dangerous to their surroundings. This can also be said of alcoholics, sleep deprived people, people with aggressive disorders and so on. These people we do not judge until they have caused the problems - why do we do so with the drug addicts?
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
The legal age is when society belives a person is mature enough to have certain rights because they are physically mature enough to understand the responsibilties that go with them. If you are below that age, the argument goes, you can not comprehend the consequences as well. |
Yeah, I remember the day I turned 15. At once I could see through the desires of my body and fathom the dangers involved in drinking and having sex...
That "society believes a person is mature enough" is not a rational explanation, but a more or less arbitrary thing. And when it comes to sex, the only person who can get hurt by not waiting to he or she is mature enough, is the person itself. That society thinks that there even is such a thing as a required level of maturity for having sex is madness to me. How can I know what emotional associations people below the age of 15 have with sex? Or how damaging it is to their psyche to have sex?
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Same as above.
You don't happen to have a copy of those pictures do you though? I think Drug_Tito's birthday is coming up.... :D
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I wish. Tito is a nice guy, he deserves a nice gift.:)
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Its not so much the labeling of homosexuality of a sin as is the consequences for that sin (beheading/hanging/stoning), especially when considering the age of the offenders.
If you would have locked the boys up for five years (I and suppose they didn't because they thought might like Prison too much ;) ) we wouldn't have heard of this. |
Well, as I stated in my first post, it can be said to be rational for a society to punish those of its citizens that sin, for the purpose of deterring others from doing the same. In the case of specific acts of sexuality the punishment needs to be tough, as you need to deter others from following fundamental urges in their nature.
In western societies you also see very harsh punishments for financial crimes, which makes little sense as these offenders (due to the publicity) cannot ever be involved in financial activities again. Yet we lock them up for years solely to deter others from giving in to the temptations of earning easy money. In Iran the general levels of punishment is simply much harsher than in the west.
However, I do *not* condone these punishments, and I do wish all fundamentalists to the moon (hell, I'd be skinned alive if I had to live six months in Iran), but I just don't think that it is fair to label the Iranian government as barbaric or crazy, when it follows the same kinds of reasoning that our own governments do. |
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| mndeg |
| really? isnt that a very expensive way to kill someone? |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
You don't happen to have a copy of those pictures do you though? I think Drug_Tito's birthday is coming up.... :D |
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