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Jay-Z assaults a female - PICS INSIDE (pg. 5)
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| CyberneticAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
So you're agreeing with me? |
not really,
While there are rappers / hip-hop artist that are no doubt a credit to their community I don't believe that they represent the movement as a whole.
You asked if it would be fair to compair all trance to DJ Sammy. But everyone laughes at DJ Sammy, (even if they have his stuff) Granted DJ Sammy on a certain level represents everything that is cheesy about trance, but he is one artist hanging precariously on the edge of mainstream.
On the other hand you have a laundry list (which I am not going to insult anyones intellegence by enumerating) of Rappers/hip-hoppers who can be honestly classed as bad people. Their arrest records prove it. Its not as simple as saying that they are bad because they have done bad things. The problem is that virtually all mainstream rap activly promots and is proud of the bad things that they have done or wish they had done.
You want to hear about spousal abuse? Turn to Rap
gang bangings? Rap
rampent violence? More rap
Shootings and dead friends? The list goes on
While all types of music have their renegade artists and bad role models no where is it as prevalent as in rap. To compair the sins of rappers who are in jail for murder to DJ Sammy who's only crime is being cheesy is silly. |
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| nchs09 |
| i agree with daves point. not argument. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by CyberneticAngel
On the other hand you have a laundry list (which I am not going to insult anyones intellegence by enumerating) of Rappers/hip-hoppers who can be honestly classed as bad people. Their arrest records prove it. Its not as simple as saying that they are bad because they have done bad things. The problem is that virtually all mainstream rap activly promots and is proud of the bad things that they have done or wish they had done.
You want to hear about spousal abuse? Turn to Rap
gang bangings? Rap
rampent violence? More rap
Shootings and dead friends? The list goes on
While all types of music have their renegade artists and bad role models no where is it as prevalent as in rap. To compair the sins of rappers who are in jail for murder to DJ Sammy who's only crime is being cheesy is silly. |
I agree,,,when was the last time ""ANY"" other person from another music genre killed....matter fact i dont think it has EVER happened..lol
Rap was good pre-1994.....now it is , for lack of a better word. |
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| apostrophe |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I agree,,,when was the last time ""ANY"" other person from another music genre killed....matter fact i dont think it has EVER happened..lol
Rap was good pre-1994.....now it is , for lack of a better word. |
is the right word for it, man. I don't own a single hiphop / r&b / rap album post 1996 save for eminem's marshall mathers. |
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| Tranz |
Don't be hatin 'cause Jay keeps his pimp hand strong!
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| D-res |
| agreed 100% with dave. those of you out there who assume that rap is all about being a pimp, wearing bling and shooting people are ignorant as . Like others have said, you have to listen to intelligent hip-hop to understand the culture and respect the music and unfortunately, most of the intelligent hip-hop is underground. my personal favorite is binary star |
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| flavdave |
It just seems to me that you guys aren't seeing past the mainstream gangsta rap that gets played on MTV. There is a plethora of legendary emcees who started hip hop in the early 80s, an entire decade before gangsta rap became popular. And while there is surely a lot of debauchery in today's rap, rock music is certainly no stranger to immoral behavior. "Sex, drugs, and rock n roll" is the old saying. A lot of bad stuff has gone down in rock music: suicides (Kurt Cobain, Elliot Smith, Michael Hutchence), overdoses (Elvis), spousal abuse (Ozzy, Scott Weiland), and murder (Sid & Nancy, Phil Spector...allegedly). Tupac and Biggie were murdered because someone had beef with them. So was John Lennon. Eazy-E died of AIDS because of his permiscuous lifestyle. So did Freddie Mercury. Rock music has its fair share of dirty laundry, maybe more so than rap, but people usually see past that. It's a shame they can't do it for rap/hip hop.
I'm not saying you guys have to like rap music, I'm just saying you should realize that the stuff you know is just a small part of the genre. |
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| CyberneticAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
agreed 100% with dave. those of you out there who assume that rap is all about being a pimp, wearing bling and shooting people are ignorant as . Like others have said, you have to listen to intelligent hip-hop to understand the culture and respect the music and unfortunately, most of the intelligent hip-hop is underground. my personal favorite is binary star |
(there is a difference :p)
dude, don't even try to claim that "underground" isn't corrupt. I have friends (sorta) that are all the time trying to pass off "mix-tapes" (yes real tapes) on me of themselves or their friends. And trust me, they are not the enlightened sort.
I will repeat what I said before. There is undoubtable some great, uplifting, positive stuff out there. Having said that what is the way to become the top rocker or trance DJ?
Being good at what you do? Yes.
Knowing the right people? Yes.
Having record companies pimp the hell out of you? Yes.
Projecting an image that resonates with the fans of your chosen type of music? Yes!!
Would you think that there would ever be a large anti drug campaign featuring major DJ's? Festivals promoting "Just say No"? There are a few exceptions, (Nu NRG for example) but most major DJ's wouldn't touch such an idea with a ten foot poll. No matter what there personal beliefs the message would not resonate with the people who are fans of trance. Are there anti-drug trance addicts? Yes, would you say that they are a majority? No.
In the same way the majority of rap culture is centured around certain ideals that resonate with the fans that the artists are trying to sell to. Are there rappers that buck the trend? Of course. But on the whole most underground and up and coming rappers are going to try to be as "hard" as possible. Simply because that is the culture that they are trying to make music for.
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
It just seems to me that you guys aren't seeing past the mainstream gangsta rap that gets played on MTV. There is a plethora of legendary emcees who started hip hop in the early 80s, an entire decade before gangsta rap became popular. And while there is surely a lot of debauchery in today's rap, rock music is certainly no stranger to immoral behavior. "Sex, drugs, and rock n roll" is the old saying. A lot of bad stuff has gone down in rock music: suicides (Kurt Cobain, Elliot Smith, Michael Hutchence), overdoses (Elvis), spousal abuse (Ozzy, Scott Weiland), and murder (Sid & Nancy, Phil Spector...allegedly). Tupac and Biggie were murdered because someone had beef with them. So was John Lennon. Eazy-E died of AIDS because of his permiscuous lifestyle. So did Freddie Mercury. Rock music has its fair share of dirty laundry, maybe more so than rap, but people usually see past that. It's a shame they can't do it for rap/hip hop. |
Perhaps I could look past it, if rap as a culture didn't wear violence and anger on its collective sleave as a badge of honor.
You are absolutly correct, rock and other types of music are no strangers to "bad stuff" but rock as a culture does not celebrate its "heritage" to the same extent that rap does
| quote: | | I'm not saying you guys have to like rap music, I'm just saying you should realize that the stuff you know is just a small part of the genre. |
fair enough :) |
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| flavdave |
| Back on topic, I'm still waiting for the official media source that says Jay-Z has been accused of assaulting this woman. |
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| blazed it |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
suicides...... Elliot Smith, |
hehe i like this one, his alleged suicide method was reported to be multiple self inflicted stabs wounds to his chest. personally imo this was not likely. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by blazed it
hehe i like this one, his alleged suicide method was reported to be multiple self inflicted stabs wounds to his chest. personally imo this was not likely. |
But what a way for a troubled soul to go! |
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| ZzZ The Goddess |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
Back on topic, I'm still waiting for the official media source that says Jay-Z has been accused of assaulting this woman. |
Someone else linked it earlier in the thread.. Ill see if I can find any additional ones. |
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