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| gerrycueto |
| quote: | Originally posted by bobba lou
For one, i dont see "all the negativity" you speak of. I think some very good discussion is going on here. In fact i think its the best damm thread since the split of the two sections. I'm tired of whos drunk whos sober, coup this, and the rest of the nonsense. Also by virtue of you saying it i know its your opinion.
Miami has a more of a market for hip hop and reggeaton that is just the way it is. I still dont think that by space doing business with the hip hop crowd on fridays will mess anything up. By no means im i attacking your ideas or getting offended by them. |
just look around... it looks like a bunch of moping.. "oh no EDM's gonna die in miami :( and hiphop and reggaeton are gonna take over! and wtf are we gonna do?" Oh yes that screams positivity to me!
As for this being the best damn thread, it's alright... and it's okay to have fun too and have drunk and sober and stupid threads!.. I know we should talk about music too, but why can't we have some fun as well? Good thing we have Coup. He's not all serious business, he has fun also.
Of course Miami has a great market for hiphop and reggaeton because the demographics are the best for it... you have a bunch of blacks and hispanics... and you're right EDM can't do as great in these kind of demographics, because EDM appeals more to the upperclass clubbing type.
I may think hiphop sucks but there are some good ideas hiphop contains, hell thats' why reggaeton's using them. I'm not saying we all start making hip-trance tracks, but if there's a few cool tricks and junk and hiphop that would sound good in trance, then it would be wise to use them, instead of coming out with the same old music.
Most reggaeton is the same beat and the same old lyrics.. "sandugueo, perreo, bailoteo, chaqueo, blinblineo, guayeteo, ect"
but some actually has unique lyrics like "Gasolina" and that's one of the reasons why they chart high. reggaeton generally isn't snobbish about other kinds of music and incorperates whatever it can (to its samey sounding dembow beat, but then again if they dropped the dembow beat wouldn't it stop being reggaeton?), that's why it's extremely successful. In any given reggaeton set I can hear salsa, trance (reggaeton has some amazingly tense buildups they copped from trance), house, bachata, hiphop, merengue, oldschool ragga, hell I even hear some classical music in reggaeton.
Trance has the same chance as hitting it big as reggaeton here.. we just need to make it work for our demographics.. Trance does incorperate a lot of musical styles within itself, but it isnt' doing much with the music that appeals to Miami.. we aren't hearing much black nor latin influence...
Like I said before let's not all start making hiphoptrance or reggaetontrance, even though I've dabbled around in that crap lol.. but this is basically my theory (musically) why hiphop and reggaeton may have a great appeal other than how great they are at marketing themselves. |
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| ambs |
some people need drugs or alcohol to enjoy edm, if i drink enough alcohol i enjoy shakin my booty to reggaeton....
will i go out of my way to hear it? no, to each their own. and the people that love hip hop, god bless 'm cause i wouldn't want any Lil' John/Ludacris type thugs showing up while I'm trying to enjoy Ferry or Armin or anyone else and try to rub up against me.
We have our nights, let them have theirs. case closed :) |
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| gerrycueto |
| good point... merging musics may cause lil jon type thugs coming to EDM events.. and possibly stirring up trouble.... oh well.. words are words for now.. good discussion anyway... time will tell the direction EDM will have to head towards to survive, but it is too damn big to die completely anyway. |
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| hitokiri |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkAngel
I'd rather have a BBQ session by this guy anyday.
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hahahahahaha nice one .... but remember what happened with space during the whole wmc fiasco... remember its a business and to them its all about the bling bling hate to say it but its true long live reggaeton an "hip hop":whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| LiquidX |
| EDM wont die.. its allready incorporated. The thing is, it got its boom, Trance tracks were been #1 tracks on the likes of Power 96 and Y-100 back in 99-00.. It got the momentum it deserved, thats how the majority here got into the scene at first.. hell even MTV played some good trance ... that trance momentum went down ( lets be honest, Trance has been one of the biggest exposure to EDM ), it will still be here, somewhere in smaller scale but I dont see it die. Hip Hop/ Reggeton are on the peak of their bubble, hell I even heard Crobar will implement this soundformat on one of their nights ( my friend told me though I dont know how credible is that ), its a blowing bubble that will explote. To me, if I wouldnt have founded out about the new space calender.. I wouldnt have noticed the change... |
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| gerrycueto |
| yeah good points... whatever things go in circles... trance (or some other similar-sounding genre) will be back on top. |
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| mdamon7278 |
| EDM will always live bitches :gsmile: |
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| Mattivi |
| quote: | Originally posted by mdamon7278
EDM will always live bitches :gsmile: |
another deep thought by damon, keep up the stellar post buddy!! |
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| Mattivi |
| i believe alot along the lines of what gerry is saying. rock and hip hop are suberbly marketed and nationally exposed. not to mention the increased urbanazation and latin influence that has descended upon north america. simple numbers; bigger audience, bigger market. not to mention most american youths are impressionable and follow the trends and what johnny badass down the steet listens too. this is breeding the whole rap/reggaton movement. now if you look at the otherside of the atlantic, edm is king. pretty simple trance has its roots their and your dealing with a more causcasion crowd, and it had stronger roots over there to begin with, so thats why it never really faded away, just evolved a bit. i think why trance never really made it in miami is because miami is a fickle, trendy town, it goes with the hot sound of the times, pretty shallow when you think about it. just my .02 cents. |
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| FallingMoon |
Well I see the discussions here and I understand business is business but my only fear and something NO ONE can predict is that if he's moving hip-hop on a Friday and making it so big to make money who knows what can happen when he sees it's making much more money than the house on Saturday...Lets put these two together, we know Friday's WILL NOT be free most likely and MOSTLY ALL Saturday's are with few big event exceptions...You said it Harold, he's a business man first and since he is, perhaps when he realizes his club is producing larger amounts of money from Friday nights and less on Saturday's he may sway into chaning it altogether...we all know how level used to be...EDM and it went hip-hop until it closed down SAME WITH MANSION. But Space superceedes both and it's a far more successful club but no one really knows what can possibly happen...I just fear it may turn out bad but then again I expect it that way because Miami's main scene will ALWAYS be hip-hop...who cares though for right now since it's ONLY Friday's and from what I see, if they're going to throw an EDM event on Friday it's going over the hip-hop I.E. Armin in October...if it happens...
Regardless it just sucks that EDM is really losing so much touch here, it's not only the hip-hop but Luis has taken a lot of talent from coming as frequently as they did in the past...
w/e this is something we'll have to look out for...I really can care less but I just hope a club comes that will stick to EDM both nights...*that would be something* :) |
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| SPACEMASTERS |
| I believe EDM will live on Hip-Hop Had its ups and down and recently its rising again with the new sound Of reaggeton. But like I said everything has its phases And its time. Its only a matter of time before EDM hits mainstream Again. |
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| ambs |
Having lived in Amsterdam, I want to correct something Neil said...
Everyone here seems to think that EDM is #1 in Europe. it is not. In Holland, I can tell you, hip hop is bigger. The only thing is, EDM is much more mainstream. when you turn on mtv or any of its equivalents, it's predominantly hip hop or pop, but there is some edm too. Whereas here, there is NONE.
I know we all like to think that Europe is amazing and everything is EDM over there, but it's not. it's just when we look at the scene in other places, none of us think "gee, let me check how the hip hop scene over in amsterdam is" simply because, we're not interested.
Over there, it's just easier to stay away from what doesn't do it for you. if you like edm, you can find it somewhere every week, so you don't need to be exposed to hip hop or whatever. but turn on the radio or tv, and it's most likely hip hop you'll hear.
yes, edm is more accessible in europe, but to say it is "king" there is, simply put, absolutely inaccurate. |
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