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Would you ever date someone who doesn't drink alcohol or have sex till marriage? (pg. 2)
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Anyone who cant live without sex is pretty close minded too. It oozes a very simplistic mind that cannot muster up another way to entertain. |
Friend, it's not about living without sex.....i have lived without sex before. I have had sex, and gone without it for more than a year (ok a year, maybe not a long time for a person who has never had sex, but hey.......it's still a while ;)).....i don't find sex to be a way to "entertain", as you say. I find it to be another form of intimacy, another aspect of the relationship.
it's all a part of the big picture. It's not about the carnal desire to tickle my pickle, and SHOOT- instant satisfaction.
it's about having someone you truly care about, sharing something mental, sharing something physical, and indeed, sharing something sexual. That's the holy trinity right there vlady ;)
i don't consider myself closed minded because i've had sex with women. I consider myself open minded to sex, and at the same time open minded to a woman who has her needs......as long as her needs do not involve abstinence(sp?)....cuz seriously, that's not the kind of person *I* am. I require the exemplification of love via the trinity
sounds lame, but oh well :haha: |
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| Boomer187 |
if shes cool enough yea its fine.
Just hard to find one that would not bitch about your drinking. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
I find it to be another form of intimacy, another aspect of the relationship. |
For most people its not a form of intimacy though. How can you say that, for example, after 2 weeks of going out with a girl, having sex is considered something intimate? The fact that sex is so out there and exploited completely kills anything intimate about it. And notice the terminology being used, sex... a vulgar expression for something that was once considered to be making love. THAT kind of intimacy has lost a significant amount of value. |
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| Aiwendil |
| So...say I didn't want to drink alcohol because it kills brain cells and damages the liver...yeah...I guess that means i'm closed minded. |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by SkiesofArcadia
Let's suppose not even on special occasions like parties, new years, birthdays, celebrations, even weddings etc..?
And also suppose they're not even religious about the sex thing, it is just their opinion? |
Do you have a sister who doesn't drink and is a virgin?
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
So...say I didn't want to drink alcohol because it kills brain cells and damages the liver...yeah...I guess that means i'm closed minded. |
I think it also causes kidney problems. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
(1) For most people its not a form of intimacy though.
(2)The fact that sex is so out there and exploited completely kills anything intimate about it.
(3)And notice the terminology being used, sex... a vulgar expression for something that was once considered to be making love. |
ok, ....
you say for the most part.......people do not view sex as a form of intimacy....but i wonder, how many places have you visited? How many people have you meT? How many cultures have you studied? If you're strictly speaking off the foundation of NYC attitude, i'd agree with you, but for the most part (the socialized norm) sex or "making love" is viewed as something intimate. Read all the books dedicated to sex, "making love", being a higher form of intimacy within a relationship.
secondly.......yeah sex is exploited, sex sells in the market today. But that doesn't mean you have to reform to that standard and say that the intimacy within "sex" has been totally destroyed. That's just giving up to the sick0s out there with in hand, wanking it to jenna jameson and Mike Tyson. Give the hopeless romantic, the love seekers a chance.
and, i guess, thirdly "sex", the vulgar expression. It's just that, simply an expression. z0mg, "sex", "making love", "fuking", so many different ways to express the same act, but lo, all three have a different connotation. All thanks to the beauty of language.
Let it be known, sex, in its ownmost inate state is to procreate the specie. It has nothing to do with love and so on, nothing to do with the romanticism i speak of........but it, in no way, promotes a vulgar connotation.
ok, im psuedo drunk Vlad, so i have to stop lol.
but quote me and ill continue,
i lost train of thought lol :haha: |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
ok, ....
you say for the most part.......people do not view sex as a form of intimacy....but i wonder, how many places have you visited? How many people have you meT? How many cultures have you studied? If you're strictly speaking off the foundation of NYC attitude, i'd agree with you, but for the most part (the socialized norm) sex or "making love" is viewed as something intimate. Read all the books dedicated to sex, "making love", being a higher form of intimacy within a relationship.
secondly.......yeah sex is exploited, sex sells in the market today. But that doesn't mean you have to reform to that standard and say that the intimacy within "sex" has been totally destroyed. That's just giving up to the sick0s out there with in hand, wanking it to jenna jameson and Mike Tyson. Give the hopeless romantic, the love seekers a chance.
and, i guess, thirdly "sex", the vulgar expression. It's just that, simply an expression. z0mg, "sex", "making love", "fuking", so many different ways to express the same act, but lo, all three have a different connotation. All thanks to the beauty of language.
Let it be known, sex, in its ownmost inate state is to procreate the specie. It has nothing to do with love and so on, nothing to do with the romanticism i speak of........but it, in no way, promotes a vulgar connotation.
ok, im psuedo drunk Vlad, so i have to stop lol.
but quote me and ill continue,
i lost train of thought lol :haha: |
This doesnt make my point any less invalid, youre just cutting up sentences and leaving stuff out.
A) How can bedding a girl within, for example, 2 weeks be intimate?
B) Tell me, how valuable is sex if its so open and out there? So much so, that people, guys and girls respectively, can put together quite a resume by they time they get to their 20's. |
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| Vlad |
My opinion is, most people dont value it unless they earn it and/or are truely in a state of unconscious love in which you are in a complete state of vulnerability.
Until than, youre just taking care of each others needs. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
This doesnt make my point any less invalid, youre just cutting up sentences and leaving stuff out.
A) How can bedding a girl within, for example, 2 weeks be intimate?
B) Tell me, how valuable is sex if its so open and out there? So much so, that people, guys and girls respectively, can put together quite a resume by they time they get to their 20's. |
why are you using 2 weeks as your example? is that the norm for NYC?
c'mon man, that's now how it is everywhere. :wtf:
and ok, i see your point, i do........i agree with it somewhat.... but that's not how it is for EVERYONE. Your views on "sex" seem so negative. :(
my point is.........i view sex with the right person as an intimate expression of love.
otherwise- it's all fair game with your viewpoint. It's meaningless. |
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| Masonious |
These things are so hard to comment on as they're so objective. Intimate, romantic, sex vs. love making, etc...
Bringing a rose to a girl that grew up in the limelight and is used to be courted by wealthy suitors may not be romantic at all, yet to a girl who grew up in a trailer, poor and constantly treated like , the act of giving a rose to tell her she's special to you might be enough to bring her to tears.
For the most part, Vlad's point of "sex after 2 weeks not being intimate" is going to be accurate, but I can see a couple being so wildly in love after 2 weeks that it's incredibly intimate...and the guy is not doing it out of selfish reasons.
Vlad...because people whore themselves out to loads of different partners before they're 20 doesn't exclude them from being able to have a deep sexual experience later on. You're focusing more on the physical act than the mental (which Mr. Pink is focusing on). Admittedly...you can't have one without the other. But the mental part is what makes, "sex", "love making", "fu*king", etc... intimate.
We'll take an extreme example of a prostitute...to say that were she to give that profession up after a few years and turn her life around...were she to find someone she truly cares for and someone that truly reciprocates her feelings, she wouldn't be able to have an intimate relationship is fairly presumptuous.
I think that those folks that enter relationships wanting the best for their partner are those that have intimate relationships and those that enter a relationship wanting the best for themselves subject themselves to the basest level of the physical act and place themselves next to every other mammal on the planet. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
why are you using 2 weeks as your example? is that the norm for NYC?
c'mon man, that's now how it is everywhere. :wtf: |
It took my best friend 3 days, so thats definitely not the norm in NYC. It varies between hungry sluts and respectable women. Id say 2 weeks to a month is the norm.
The tricky thing is the long distance thing. Now, you dont get to see each other often, but that doesnt exactly give you a "Im not gonna see you for a couple weeks, so lets bang card". Im sorry but I dont want the last thing I leave my girl before I bounce is a load to the face. |
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