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This gun violence is getting ridiculous! (pg. 2)
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| Moral Hazard |
My solution to this problem would be three fold.
If you look at the criminal code and associated statues you'll quickly discover that Canada has very strong gun control laws and laws punishing those that are convicted of committing a crime whilst using a weapon. What we need is for those laws to be enforced. We cannot blame our police in this as the police force is doing as good a job as they are capable of. Who is to blame..... judges. Judges in this country seem hell bent on the rehabilitation model of corrections. While I would like to believe that this method works the truth is it is not always effective. In order to rectify this the only measures that can be taken are to impose minimum sentances. Minimum sentances take the power out of the hands of judges and puts it in the hands of legislators.... indirectly, the people. Setting appropriate minimum sentances would be a good first step to mitigating the opportunities and thus the likelihood that offenders using a fire arm would re-offend. Currently there are only two minimum sentances in the Criminal Code... one is for murder in the first degree (25 years) the other is for murder in the second degree (20 years). Other steps on the punishment side of things would be to eliminate the practice of judges counting time served prior to trial at double the rate of post trial incarceration (a day served before trial often, currently, counts as two days off the convicted's sentance) and the elimination of the practice of allowing convicts to serve only 1/3 of their sentace.
At the same time we need to provide an alternative to the "thug life." At the risk of sounding like a pinko lefty, we need to provide activities and opportunity for those at risk of entering into the "gang culture." Study after study has found that social programs and opportunity (jobs) will diseuade teens from joining gangs. I don't care to get into the reasons why this is true but suffice it to say that it is and thus we should be providing as much as we can as in the long run it will benefit us all.
Finally, we need to strengthen and encourage the institution of "the family." Disporportionately, youths involved in violent crime come from single parent homes (remember when we used to call these "broken homes"). Whether it is a result of having no strong male influance or because single parent homes are often economically disadvantaged I don't really give a . Truth is that children who grow up in two parent homes have a lower likelihood to join gangs. How we encourage people to maintain strong families I cannot say as I have very little background in socialogy nor do I have any real understanding of the cultural influances that cause certain groups (ah screw it... blacks, specifically Caribbean blacks) to have higher per capita incidences of single parent homes then other ethnic groups and therefore I'm unqualified to make any meaningful suggestions.
Following the above steps would likely result in a decrease in the violance that has recently pleagued Toronto, albeit that decrease would likely only be realized after several years.
Failing the above my solution would be to caution everyone to avoid the troubled areas and simply let them kill each other off. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Failing the above my solution would be to caution everyone to avoid the troubled areas and simply let them kill each other off. |
Beautiful. |
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| girllovingtvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
We don't need no guns, only tunes. |
AMEN brotha! |
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| Jayx1 |
so they had a conference with the police chief and all they talked about is how "some communities are being unfairly scrutinized" and "why isn't there more diversity amongst police officers?"
The longer we keep skirting the real issues with political correctness, the longer we are going to keep reading about dead young black men on a hot summer weekend. Why cant we deal with the real issues? Time to get our heads out of our asses.
Lets deal with the perpetrators. Lets do everything we can to capture them and forget about "perceptions" and BS. Lets deal with the reality that most of the victims of these shootings as well as the perpetrators are black. Why dont we try to find out why this is instead of ignoring the obvious?
Maybe then we can help to solve what has obviously become a problem in certain communities. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ I couldn't agree more.
we need to look at ALL factors though...not just "race", but also economic standing, level of education, employment, etc.etc.etc. |
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| Goashem |
| btw, i know david miller is hiring more cops, but is there any other action plan ? something that can eliminate the problem before it starts ? (like the things moral hazard mentioned). |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| This is getting a little insane. I don't know if it was this bad before and I just hadn't noticed or what. But in the past couple years, since a few of my friends have moved up to Toronto, and I've met a bunch more as well...I've really noticed the number of shootings going on. Especially even in their neighbourhoods! And they're not even considered bad I believe! It's really sad. I hope the police find a way to really crack down on it. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| we need guns to protect ourselves from people with guns:p |
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| hardcore trancer |
Death penalty is the way to go.The justice system is laughable.I used to know alot of gang mambers in the past,and they used to tell me that they love to go to jails because they get treated so well.For them going to jail is like taking a break for abit and coming back after and doing the same again.
The pont is here that most of these people arent scared to go to jail.
Also the media is keep saying that all these shootings are frug related,I think it has alot to do with pride and so called "trying to prtecting the neighbourhood". |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
My solution to this problem would be three fold. |
Very well put! I'm not so sure about the social programs *by themselves* (which often seems to be the choice of big government), but if we really tried to make a dent in all 3 points, I think it would definitely make a big difference here.
It's annoying as hell that politicians and media are blaming the U.S. for this. Even *if* it were true that the guns were travelling across the border (which it isn't, for the most part), it's ignoring the real problem over HERE! Down with scapegoats... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Death penalty is the way to go.The justice system is laughable.I used to know alot of gang mambers in the past,and they used to tell me that they love to go to jails because they get treated so well.For them going to jail is like taking a break for abit and coming back after and doing the same again.
The pont is here that most of these people arent scared to go to jail.
Also the media is keep saying that all these shootings are frug related,I think it has alot to do with pride and so called "trying to prtecting the neighbourhood". |
I strongly disagree...there is a mountain of evidence to show that the death penalty neither deters violent crime nor saves the state money vs. prison terms. Clearly, by definition of the penalty, it offers zero chance of rehabilitation too, lol.
No one "loves" going to jail :rolleyes: Anyone who says so is full of and fronting for your benefit. They may not be afraid of prison, but they certainly don't "like" it, lol. That's just bull posturing. Part of the problem is what you say...that they go "for a bit". I think that if some p.o.s. shoots someone, there should be a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison. I don't care if they kill the person...they USE a gun, 5 years. Just as Moral Hazzard said...we need minimum penalties to avoid judges being lax...and we need to crack down on bull plea bargains to speed things through court. |
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| Goashem |
wouldnt the guns smuggled from the US be also blamed on Canada for not having good enough security checks at the border?
and the death penalty??? it wouldnt change much, people who shoot each other in the street arent really afraid of death. however what if an innocent person get executed?! |
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