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Don't cry about gas prices because we arent doing that badly.... (pg. 3)
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Why do we have to pay world prices for something that we already have localy? Why should we cripple our economy so that some few execs and speculators garnish their wallets with billions? |
we shouldn't
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| djbruuen |
| ^ leaving montreal today and seeing the 114/litre was sickening (meanwhile some stations down the street were at 102 so i don't understand how somestations can get away having it 12cents higher than others? montreal definately had it bad for gas, i decided to hold off to get gas on the highway about 100k's out from the city and got it for 94 instead. something has to be done about this, its beginning to be a luxory to drive your car. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
^ leaving montreal today and seeing the 114/litre was sickening (meanwhile some stations down the street were at 102 so i don't understand how somestations can get away having it 12cents higher than others? montreal definately had it bad for gas, i decided to hold off to get gas on the highway about 100k's out from the city and got it for 94 instead. something has to be done about this, its beginning to be a luxory to drive your car. |
there's always some stations that hold on the lower price but the next day they all show the higher price :(
can you imagine i hurried to fill up at 102!!! as if it was a bargain!! I can't believe this, I used to bitch when it was 90!!!
after whitehorse, we have the highest gaz prices. |
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| Matt |
I think it should be law that the price of gas at the pump can only be adjusted once every 48 hours. Especially here in Collingwood, it seems the pumps take advantage of people needing to go places, mainly on the weekend.
But that's my initial, unresearched opinion. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Today, 114.4 C/L for regular !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats how expensive it is for us here :(
The problem isn't the damn friggin taxes, the govt can't even cover its own gaz expenses with those prices in effect. The governement is actually loosing money because it has to pay more for its own fleet Anyone saying the govt is making more money is dead wrong.
Its the stupid speculation. This emir farted, it goes up, that refinery broke down, it goes up, etc etc.
Nothing that really affects us, we have, I correct you Jayx, the largest oil and gaz reserves in the world right now and we're still affected by some greedy s in NYSE and FTSE who just (re)discovered that they and their buddies in the oil buisness can fill their pockets without anyone saying a thing.
The worst is that high oil prices is crippling the whole canadian (except the rednecks) economy because it cost every company more to do the same thing, and us consumers end up paying more while our salaries are the same. Watch out for the prices of goods, fruits and vegetables, they'll hit record prices!! While our friends in Alberta are menacing with separation as if they friggin invented oil. It was there before Canada invented that province and its a god given gift, why doesn't the whole country enjoy it?
Why do we have to pay world prices for something that we already have localy? Why should we cripple our economy so that some few execs and speculators garnish their wallets with billions? |
As i said, we need a new energy policy backed up by the military... albertans are getting screwed too... just less screwed than us. |
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| ChadVanDyk |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayx1
time to reduce taxes and implement a programme scheme that will see us get canadian oil at canadian prices. Then maybe even in this day and age we can see gas prices at 35 cents a litre. Let them sell canadian oil to the world at world rates but why should we have to pay that?
I know trudeau tried this in the 70s and failed but this time if alberta tries to seperate we should send in the army. Yeah i know... what army? but its still bigger than anything that alberta has!
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The anti-lieberal man of freedom wants to impose control a la NEP. I shake my head. Even mentioning such an idea out here would be worth a vicious beating. As you are aware, that was tried in the early 1970s, with many negative consequences. Canadian crude prices were held below world prices and oil imports that supplied Eastern Canada had to be federally subsidized at a cost of billions of dollars per year. Today, such subsidies would constitute an unfair trade practice under the North American Free Trade Agreement. The same would be true of the legislation required to hold domestic crude prices below world levels. Price constraints in Canada would also become a huge incentive for both Canadian and multinational oil companies to reinvest elsewhere, with corresponding losses of employment, taxes and royalties to governments. Such controls would also constitute a multi-billion-dollar annual transfer of wealth from producing provinces to consuming provinces.
Once the Alberta budget surplus is announced this year and as we have absolutely no debt....maybe we'll start our own army. It would definitely be better funded that the Canadian army. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
While our friends in Alberta are menacing with separation as if they friggin invented oil. It was there before Canada invented that province and its a god given gift, why doesn't the whole country enjoy it?
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See above. The east can't have everything you know. If you want, I'll trade you some Albertan barrels of oil for some of your Montreal women. ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChadVanDyk
The anti-lieberal man of freedom wants to impose control a la NEP. I shake my head. Even mentioning such an idea out here would be worth a vicious beating. As you are aware, that was tried in the early 1970s, with many negative consequences. Canadian crude prices were held below world prices and oil imports that supplied Eastern Canada had to be federally subsidized at a cost of billions of dollars per year. Today, such subsidies would constitute an unfair trade practice under the North American Free Trade Agreement. The same would be true of the legislation required to hold domestic crude prices below world levels. Price constraints in Canada would also become a huge incentive for both Canadian and multinational oil companies to reinvest elsewhere, with corresponding losses of employment, taxes and royalties to governments. Such controls would also constitute a multi-billion-dollar annual transfer of wealth from producing provinces to consuming provinces.
Once the Alberta budget surplus is announced this year and as we have absolutely no debt....maybe we'll start our own army. It would definitely be better funded that the Canadian army. ;)
See above. The east can't have everything you know. If you want, I'll trade you some Albertan barrels of oil for some of your Montreal women. ;) |
the subsidies... lower prices for canadians, market prices for everyone else.
Yes i know its a very anti conservative thing to say but this only proves that im not 100% partisian. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChadVanDyk
The anti-lieberal man of freedom wants to impose control a la NEP. I shake my head. Even mentioning such an idea out here would be worth a vicious beating. As you are aware, that was tried in the early 1970s, with many negative consequences. Canadian crude prices were held below world prices and oil imports that supplied Eastern Canada had to be federally subsidized at a cost of billions of dollars per year. Today, such subsidies would constitute an unfair trade practice under the North American Free Trade Agreement. The same would be true of the legislation required to hold domestic crude prices below world levels. Price constraints in Canada would also become a huge incentive for both Canadian and multinational oil companies to reinvest elsewhere, with corresponding losses of employment, taxes and royalties to governments. Such controls would also constitute a multi-billion-dollar annual transfer of wealth from producing provinces to consuming provinces.
Once the Alberta budget surplus is announced this year and as we have absolutely no debt....maybe we'll start our own army. It would definitely be better funded that the Canadian army. ;)
See above. The east can't have everything you know. If you want, I'll trade you some Albertan barrels of oil for some of your Montreal women. ;) |
I wonder how you'll be able to sell that oil without any access to water and with the pipelines shut off... by air?:rolleyes: |
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| ChadVanDyk |
| To be honest...this is only the beginning. As I work in the oil and gas industry, it is a religion to study and follow crude oil prices closely. Many people predict that the price per barrel will easily reach $100.00 in the not so distant future. If you want to read about it, you can research Hubbert's Peak . It's time to wake up and realize that a life of constant consumption will have consequences. |
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| malek |
i already know that, and we haven't gotten to the 1973 oil prices which were of about 90$ of todays dollars.
still, do we have to get to that point in canada and then suffer another economic crisis?
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| ChadVanDyk |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I wonder how you'll be able to sell that oil without any access to water and with the pipelines shut off... by air?:rolleyes: |
Actually, the oil pipelines from Alberta go south to feed the U.S. beast and don't even touch Canada east of Manitoba. I'm sure we could get Sask, Man, and B.C. to allow us right of way. If not, just build another pipeline into Montana. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChadVanDyk
Actually, the oil pipelines from Alberta go south to feed the U.S. beast and don't even touch Canada east of Manitoba. I'm sure we could get Sask, Man, and B.C. to allow us right of way. If not, just build another pipeline into Montana. |
and why would they give you way of passage? because Alberta shares with them? don't kid yourself. |
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