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Utah police treat ravers like terrorists (pg. 2)
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| dj_bas |
here's that article i was talking about :
(KSL News) -- In Utah County police raided what they're calling a 'Rave' party in Spanish Fork last night.
Police say 250 people were at the party during the raid and that several thousand more had bought tickets. During the raid police seized weapons and drugs, including marijuana, ecstasy, psychadelic mushrooms, cocaine and alcohol.
Officers received a tip the party was to take place last night In the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork canyon. Surveillance video shows the party was to take place on both public and private land.
James Tracey, Utah County Sheriff: "There were multiple felony arrests in this event. Also, the land owners were charged with operating an illegal activity without a permit."
Police also confiscated counterfeit currency at the event and encountered a 17-year old who had overdosed on ecstasy.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=96651
not the same party or what? |
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| dj_bas |
| anyone else think its really funny that they refer to it as a "Rave party" :haha: |
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| scatterbrain |
| what a total buzz kill. i feel bad for all those who attended that event. imagine having a nice roll and enjoying the night...and something like that happens |
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| Glow-Man |
Dude,
I told you on the other forum. Find out all the facts before making any statement.
Can't you see in the video the excessive use of force? and the assault riffles? and the Tear gas?
Gosh!
Are you a cop or something?
Also, the gun the cops found belonged to the owner of the property that, by the way had already filed a lawsuit against the City for the abuse he suffered at his property before...
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
you guys know the rest of the story right?
this is really being blown out of proportion. the cops seized drugs & weapons of these people. and that vid doesn't show any of the gun shoving in faces and the dogs eating babies and . holy crap it was a rave with 250 people, yes it was private property but the land owners had gotten in trouble with somethingl ike this before |
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| Junior Chavez |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
anyone else think its really funny that they refer to it as a "Rave party" :haha: |
i do lol. this is all too often the stereotype...
not cool, not cool to see this type of thing at all. |
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| Orbital32 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Glow-Man
Dude,
I told you on the other forum. Find out all the facts before making any statement.
Can't you see in the video the excessive use of force? and the assault riffles? and the Tear gas?
Gosh!
Are you a cop or something?
Also, the gun the cops found belonged to the owner of the property that, by the way had already filed a lawsuit against the City for the abuse he suffered at his property before... |
I only seen one video, i don't know if there was others. From what i seen the camera view did show a guy on the ground, but not how they got there. If the drug dogs found the guy, then that's reason enough to take him down hard since it would be a risk to them if they took their time with a huge crowd. For the tear gas, it only takes a few people to throw things. Assualt rifles, standard issue, they are cops...they are armed. What's worse a 9mm or an MP5? either way a swat member can kill you with one shot. But the important thing is they didn't.
I not trying to say they are right, but before casting judgement both sides have to fully explained. Right now i don't think both sides are completely clear. |
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| Glow-Man |
"No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some @#$% on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of ing TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene."
...This is what you see in the video. Also the video shows how the cops put a little girl down and use excessive force.
But thats not the only issue. Why S.W.A.T.? Why using excessive force with no resistance?
They're are just kids having a good time. They're not terrorist...
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbital32
I only seen one video, i don't know if there was others. From what i seen the camera view did show a guy on the ground, but not how they got there. If the drug dogs found the guy, then that's reason enough to take him down hard since it would be a risk to them if they took their time with a huge crowd. For the tear gas, it only takes a few people to throw things. Assualt rifles, standard issue, they are cops...they are armed. What's worse a 9mm or an MP5? either way a swat member can kill you with one shot. But the important thing is they didn't.
I not trying to say they are right, but before casting judgement both sides have to fully explained. Right now i don't think both sides are completely clear. |
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| jethro |
Call me a naysayer, but I would like to see some proof of the kicking/eccesive force, permits, etc before I can really side either way.
That video didnt show much other than basic arresting of what was likely a few 'big balled' or 'not to bright' folk who coulnd't simply follow a command to stop and lay down for some cuff time.
The facism.mov video posted doesnt show anyone getting beat or anything like that. Matter of fact, it shows a calm dialog between 2 officers and a blue hoody wearing party goer.
And if the clame that there was 1000+ ppl there from the original post is accurate, I dont see 90 police as too many, thats still a potential problem for the cops in terms of pure numbers which is more than likely why they had rifles to show some implied force.
As for the security guards being hauled off for possesion, absolutely right! They had drugs on them, if they arent a law enforcement agent, they need to either report that and hand over proactively or when searched they will be arrested, its common sense.
Where are the pictures of people with mass bruises the next day from repeated kickings etc.
Where is a scan of said permit.
Im not saying either dont exist but Id sure like to see them. |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
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exactly! so far the videos don't really support the promoters argument
of COURSE the promoters are gonna say there was 1000+ people there and that they were kicking the out of everyone, they want the sympathy vote |
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| garlick |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
Call me a naysayer, but I would like to see some proof of the kicking/eccesive force, permits, etc before I can really side either way.
That video didnt show much other than basic arresting of what was likely a few 'big balled' or 'not to bright' folk who coulnd't simply follow a command to stop and lay down for some cuff time.
The facism.mov video posted doesnt show anyone getting beat or anything like that. Matter of fact, it shows a calm dialog between 2 officers and a blue hoody wearing party goer.
And if the clame that there was 1000+ ppl there from the original post is accurate, I dont see 90 police as too many, thats still a potential problem for the cops in terms of pure numbers which is more than likely why they had rifles to show some implied force.
As for the security guards being hauled off for possesion, absolutely right! They had drugs on them, if they arent a law enforcement agent, they need to either report that and hand over proactively or when searched they will be arrested, its common sense.
Where are the pictures of people with mass bruises the next day from repeated kickings etc.
Where is a scan of said permit.
Im not saying either dont exist but Id sure like to see them. |
Check out UTrave.org, there is a forum on there about this event. One of the girls there posts pictures of her injuries, they are pretty gruesome. Also my family is from that area and I have some friends that were at the event, they have told me the same story that came from the posts, people being shoved to the ground and kicked repeatedly, dogs mauling people and not being restrained, cameras being confiscated as if they were illeagal, which they are not and so on.
That one camera shot was from the smaller third stage where the police didn't interveine as heavily as there were only about 60 people at that stage.
This is by no means being blown out of proportion, and also it was more than 250 people, the official count of presale tickets was 700 and they had over 400 people buy tickets at the door.
Also the guns that were confiscated were the owner of the properties as well as the security company that had been hired for the event. Also permits were issued for the event and it was registered with the county office, you can request a copy of the permit from them.
The police also arrested several of the parking lot security force for narcotics possession even though they stated that the drugs they had on them were confiscated from people entering the party and they were going to turn them over to the police at the end of the party once their contract was up.
The security company currently has filed 3 lawsuits against the police department for false arrests. The ACLU is taking this matter very seriously and has asked that all video not be released so that it can be used in trial without bias of the media tainting a jurry.
Now you tell me, if all these actions are occuring and people are being asked to photograph their injuries and a group such as the ACLU and several other Law firms in the area are taking action, and these are not isolated statements of just a few people but several accounts of police brutality, I really don't think it's being blown out of proportion.
Also if you've ever been to an outdoor party where the police have shown up, it only takes a few police cars to break up a party, not the National Guard in full body armor and tear gas. Ravers are usually very easily persuaded to leave a party.
Please, understand that these are factual events and we need to be very concerned with what happened to these individuals, and that by making statements like "this is being blown out of proportion" without first hand knowledge is like throwing away your rights just because you believe in the good will of the police, which is stupidity in my oppinion.
Brian G. |
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