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Utah police treat ravers like terrorists (pg. 3)
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| Glow-Man |
BTW, the cops ripped the permit out of the pormoter's hands.
Here is the official statement from the promoters (including the permit number filed in the county and everything)
http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20191
I dont understand how you couldnt see the cops beating the crap out of a kid that didnt even resist. The clip shows the cops putting a second individual (a small girl) that didnt put any resitance either.
You should be glad there is at least "1 video", that although, it's not very clear, it still shows use of excessive force and a little bit of what it really happened.
PS: The cops report talks about a 17-yr girl od'ed on ecstacy. They said she was treated on site and then released to her parents but the funny things is:
1st You DONT OVERDOSE on ecstacy but with the stuff is cut with.
2nd Nobody who the hell they are talking about. Nobody saw any girl been treated or anything so it is really questionable.
Here is a link with the clip in case you dont SEE it
http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html
Go to www.utrave.org and find out by yourself...
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
Call me a naysayer, but I would like to see some proof of the kicking/eccesive force, permits, etc before I can really side either way.
That video didnt show much other than basic arresting of what was likely a few 'big balled' or 'not to bright' folk who coulnd't simply follow a command to stop and lay down for some cuff time.
The facism.mov video posted doesnt show anyone getting beat or anything like that. Matter of fact, it shows a calm dialog between 2 officers and a blue hoody wearing party goer.
And if the clame that there was 1000+ ppl there from the original post is accurate, I dont see 90 police as too many, thats still a potential problem for the cops in terms of pure numbers which is more than likely why they had rifles to show some implied force.
As for the security guards being hauled off for possesion, absolutely right! They had drugs on them, if they arent a law enforcement agent, they need to either report that and hand over proactively or when searched they will be arrested, its common sense.
Where are the pictures of people with mass bruises the next day from repeated kickings etc.
Where is a scan of said permit.
Im not saying either dont exist but Id sure like to see them. |
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| Orbital32 |
| quote: | Originally posted by garlick
Check out UTrave.org, there is a forum on there about this event. One of the girls there posts pictures of her injuries, they are pretty gruesome. Also my family is from that area and I have some friends that were at the event, they have told me the same story that came from the posts, people being shoved to the ground and kicked repeatedly, dogs mauling people and not being restrained, cameras being confiscated as if they were illeagal, which they are not and so on.
That one camera shot was from the smaller third stage where the police didn't interveine as heavily as there were only about 60 people at that stage.
This is by no means being blown out of proportion, and also it was more than 250 people, the official count of presale tickets was 700 and they had over 400 people buy tickets at the door.
Also the guns that were confiscated were the owner of the properties as well as the security company that had been hired for the event. Also permits were issued for the event and it was registered with the county office, you can request a copy of the permit from them.
The police also arrested several of the parking lot security force for narcotics possession even though they stated that the drugs they had on them were confiscated from people entering the party and they were going to turn them over to the police at the end of the party once their contract was up.
The security company currently has filed 3 lawsuits against the police department for false arrests. The ACLU is taking this matter very seriously and has asked that all video not be released so that it can be used in trial without bias of the media tainting a jurry.
Now you tell me, if all these actions are occuring and people are being asked to photograph their injuries and a group such as the ACLU and several other Law firms in the area are taking action, and these are not isolated statements of just a few people but several accounts of police brutality, I really don't think it's being blown out of proportion.
Also if you've ever been to an outdoor party where the police have shown up, it only takes a few police cars to break up a party, not the National Guard in full body armor and tear gas. Ravers are usually very easily persuaded to leave a party.
Please, understand that these are factual events and we need to be very concerned with what happened to these individuals, and that by making statements like "this is being blown out of proportion" without first hand knowledge is like throwing away your rights just because you believe in the good will of the police, which is stupidity in my oppinion.
Brian G. |
you yourself are adding information to this story. they are swat, the govener of utah did not activate the national guard for this event. little statements like that no matter how small keep getting bigger and bigger. And because the ACLU is supporting them everything is ok. if there is one thing i hate in life, it's the ACLU. You know how many gulity people are released due to them? |
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| garlick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbital32
you yourself are adding information to this story. they are swat, the govener of utah did not activate the national guard for this event. little statements like that no matter how small keep getting bigger and bigger. And because the ACLU is supporting them everything is ok. if there is one thing i hate in life, it's the ACLU. You know how many gulity people are released due to them? |
Do you know what the ACLU is, they are the American Civil Liberties Union. While yes they have done things in the past that are questionable, so have the police in this country. As far as the National Guard statement, it was a joint task force of SWAT, National Guardsmen and other police forces, it even states it in their press release, the area that is in question is not part of any City Municipality so the National Guard can be called in by the county government and not just the governer.
I'm not adding to this story I'm only repeating facts stated to me by eyewitnesses, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED!!!!! Friends of mine where my parents live, did you read that sentance.
Also your statement of how many "GUILTY" people have been let free by them is increadibly arrogent, as you obviously "know" without a doubt that those people are guilty.
The ACLU is there to protect our miranda rights, and our freedom of speech rights, the only reason why you have this forum is because of actions taken by the ACLU to allow free speech on the internet. So please don't make them out to be horrible as they do things that protect you that the media will never report on.
Brian G. |
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| Sir. Lunchalot |
| Sorry to say this, but things like this could never happen here in Germany or in the Netherlands at a Trance/Techno party... |
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| Trancelover24 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sir. Lunchalot
Sorry to say this, but things like this could never happen here in Germany or in the Netherlands at a Trance/Techno party... |
However it does happen in RUSSIA! :sadgreen: |
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| vxman |
| this country is not free, i do not know why people keep saying that. |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by GodMadeTrance
Yeah, saw this posted on the DI forums, and I've heard both sides... I just hope justice is done.
What sucks is that they use the word rave.... Yay... more bad publicity!:( |
Rave party |
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| Kevy Kev |
| quote: | Originally posted by vxman
this country is not free, i do not know why people keep saying that. |
So true....
The entire thing is bull and pisses me off soooo ing bad. Agreed with the negative publicity for the rave scene comment!!!
There are more drugs at rock concerts and rap events than some of these "raves" but no action is taken against them because raves have that stereotype unfortunately. |
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| Orbital32 |
| quote: | Originally posted by vxman
this country is not free, i do not know why people keep saying that. |
a country that is truly free is in anarchy and even then you will find out that a country in anarchy will be ruled as well, case in point: somolia. |
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| Orbital32 |
| quote: | Originally posted by garlick
Do you know what the ACLU is, they are the American Civil Liberties Union. While yes they have done things in the past that are questionable, so have the police in this country. As far as the National Guard statement, it was a joint task force of SWAT, National Guardsmen and other police forces, it even states it in their press release, the area that is in question is not part of any City Municipality so the National Guard can be called in by the county government and not just the governer.
Brian G. |
i think we are reading different offical press releases since the one i just read that was OFFICAL states this:
| quote: | | Utah County Metro SWAT, Utah Department of Corrections out of Salt Lake and Gunnison, Department of Public Safety and their helicopter and Provo SWAT |
no where did it state that the national guard was called up + they were not wearing military uniforms at all. Camo does not automatically make it military uniforms. There was no patches, rank, etc.
Belive me, i do believe that this rave was targeted, but in my line of work i see how small details can be passed about to make huge differences. |
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| tk422 |
Well said garlick, I really find it very disconcerting that people in this communtiy are taking the side of law enforcement on this one.
Seriously guys have you ever heard of post event justification. Everytime someone gets shot in LA who happens to be black or any other minority they happen to be doing something that was threatening. THat happens all the time especially in minority areas.
The same thing is happening here, the cops got overzealous and stormed something they probably shouldnt have. Now they are trying to find any reason to justify it.
I mean for godsakes in LA they recently pulled a preachers wife out of her car and assulted her for no reason what so ever. Thats why the ACLU exists and god bless them for it.
In todays day and age where due process doesnt exist anymore where you can be held indefinately for reasons that you cannot even yourself know (under terrorism charges), and dont have access to an attorney. I find this extremely distrubing.
However the thing that disturbs me more that we find people who are on this forum justifying or otherwise accepting it.
That to me means this country is in serious trouble. Maybe as Jefferson said..the people truly "Get the government they deserve"
| quote: | Originally posted by garlick
Do you know what the ACLU is, they are the American Civil Liberties Union. While yes they have done things in the past that are questionable, so have the police in this country. As far as the National Guard statement, it was a joint task force of SWAT, National Guardsmen and other police forces, it even states it in their press release, the area that is in question is not part of any City Municipality so the National Guard can be called in by the county government and not just the governer.
I'm not adding to this story I'm only repeating facts stated to me by eyewitnesses, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED!!!!! Friends of mine where my parents live, did you read that sentance.
Also your statement of how many "GUILTY" people have been let free by them is increadibly arrogent, as you obviously "know" without a doubt that those people are guilty.
The ACLU is there to protect our miranda rights, and our freedom of speech rights, the only reason why you have this forum is because of actions taken by the ACLU to allow free speech on the internet. So please don't make them out to be horrible as they do things that protect you that the media will never report on.
Brian G. |
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| dj_bas |
| i wasn't necessarily justifying or believing. it's just that as of now the promoters are saying one thing and the state is saying another. the state jumped first and made an official statment regarding the matter, the promoters jumped on a bunch of forums and posted a vid that doesn't really show what happened. the promoters should go to a reputable news source and try to get their side of the story...and as soon as law suits start popping up i'll be sure to retract what i said and apologize. but until then...anything could have happened. these people were high they could have seen rainbow farting monkeys for all we know |
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