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the more religious you are, the less intelligent you are. (pg. 8)
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| TheNobleEu |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
well, we've gotten into arguements before, ive put out evidence from science itself, of which, im guessing because of the pressuppositions most already have in their minds, they have made up their minds, their not going to hear anything, my evidence is totally looked over. |
I'm quite willing to hear your arguments, please humour me by repeating them (please consider yours within the context of the documents I already posted).
And feel free to use the bible at length in its original language.
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
ive had PM's asking questions, like, "how can this be true?" "i want to know more, give me some resources." |
So you're saying you absorbed the close-to-a-dozen documents I referenced last week?
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
this isnt a battle between science and creationism. its a battle between evolutionary interpretation and theistic interpretation. we all have the same evidence, but we both have a different preconcieved notion of how we are going to examine the evidence. science is nuetral. |
To some extent, yes indeed.
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
you guys wanna tell me you never met a smart person who believe in god? or a complete moron who didnt ??? you should get out more. just because someone has faith in the afterlife doesnt mean hes stupid. grow up. |
Of course I have. I have several colleagues that will teach a class in how the bible can't be used for anything resembling an historical source (or as anything other than a religious document) and then right afterward go to the shul.
Faith doesn't = stupidty. But in some cases it raises fundamental questions about someone's competences:
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Because, you know, it doesn’t make much sense for science to be accepting of unscientific principles. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
people didn't make God up, if you know the history behind it and , God came to Abraham himself. A person who didn't himself believe in one diety. |
Accurate enough, although he wasn't called "god" then.
He was called "Yahweh," and this word describes only the central concept of a god that had multiple manifestations ("avatars" is the Hindu term), and at the time Abraham would have become subject to the idea of "the god Yahweh" that god was only a minor member of the ancient Canaanite pantheon.
So yes, "god" was "made up" by men. Due to the conditions and mindset of a certain collection of people living in the Levantine c.10-11th centuries BCE, "Yahweh" was extracted from the Canaanite pantheon, elevated to the status of surpreme "god" of this certain collection of people, and renamed.
This minor god of war from the ancient Canaanite pantheon figure is what all Christian and Jewish faiths now call their "god."
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i think so. do you? |
Are you the exception to the rule? :stongue: |
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| quote: | Originally posted by TheNobleEu
Unfortunately, the concept of "IQ" is quack science.
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The IQ test serves its purpose - testing for left-sided brain power (logic). However, logic and rational thinking only make up 1 aspect of "true" intelligence.
Being emotionally stable, havign social abilities, painting, creating music, etc., can also be considered intelligence. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Are you the exceptioon to the rule? :stongue: |
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| metalgearsolid |
| Is this just another reason to blame as why Americans are so stupid? |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Evolutionist thinks:
a) Creationist has huge holes in their logic
b) They can not see those holes, even when I point them out
c) There are no holes in my logic.
The enlightened Envolutionist says to himself:
"What if there are holes in my logic that I can't see?"
The enlightened Evolutionist then enters limbo and begins constructing a hole detector.
The enlightened Evolutionist then uses that hole detector on the theory of evolution and learns...
That would be telling. |
I have only skimmed the other posts, so I hope I'm not being redundant here, but in general I think your post is great. However, I think you miss the category "rational enlightened Evolutionist"(REE), which I think of myself as belonging to. The REE recognizes that he might be wrong about the validity of the theory, but he does not use this as an excuse to put it on the same epistemic level as creationism or any other theory in which he can see holes. To put it in another way: He does not "enter limbo". He keeps acting as an Evolutionist, except that he is mentally ready for abandoning this explanation the moment evidence tells him that it is wrong. A non-enlightened evolutionist, on the other hand, would cling to evolution in face of new evidence, just as creationists cling to creationism even though evidence show them that they cannot be in the right.
On topic: I distinguish between believing in something supernatural and being religious. If you're religious you take on values, follow habits, and accept explanations from a third party (neither God nor you) without questioning these values, habits, and explanations. A religious person (according to this definition), I would label as stupid. No matter if his beliefs where incidentally true.
occrider: I thought you were going to gradually pull out of these discussions. They've got you! |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
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you posted after my edit so you lose :stongue: |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Is this just another reason to blame as why Americans are so stupid? |
americans are stupid but thats besides the point :rolleyes: what you should be pondering are religious types more stupider |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
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I think you are missing the innovation I am adding; though I can't word it much differently I will try.
Creationism vs Evolution is besides the point.
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The proponents of the view that opposes my own "Warp and distort the evidence, and are incapable of seeing this".
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My view is superior to theirs because I do not "warp and distort the evidence"
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| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
he is mentally ready for abandoning this explanation the moment evidence tells him that it is wrong.
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BUT and this is the big butt this assumes your mind does not "warp and distort" when clearly minds do this. You should desire a "warp detector".
Saying that they are warped because of religion is not the basis of a functioning "warp detector" since it emphasizes your established perspective over theirs.
The correct foundation of such a device would be to start with "they are warped because they are human. I too am human".
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[edit: Reality is closed to a pre-warp species... embrace warp technology :D] |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
americans are stupid but thats besides the point :rolleyes: what you should be pondering are religious types more stupider |
They're the most dumbest.:toothless |
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| djHollen |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
americans are stupid but thats besides the point :rolleyes: what you should be pondering are religious types more stupider |
and fat. dont forget fat. |
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