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A culture of bingeing tied to America's drinking age (21) (pg. 2)
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonze234
i think what the guy is trying to say is that if we lower the drinking age less people will drink in their dorm rooms where there is no supervision. if they drink at the bars they will be less inclined to get alcohol poisoning and not get treatment for it. |
yeah i agree...
but what i'm saying is lowering the drinking age to 18, which as anthony said is usually senior year of high school, is just going to encourage binge drinking at younger ages. instead of your 19 and 20 year olds drinking in dorm rooms you're going to have 15, 16, 17 year olds drinking at friends houses and without supervision which the increase in alcohol at these younger ages would at worst increase sex among minors, perhaps effect grades (as sometimes happens in freshman year of college) and like that...
so really where is the benefit? |
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| djmetatron |
you think that if the drinking age is lowered then by some mathematical equation kids will be even younger when they start drinking? i don't think so. EVERYONE who wants to drink will be able to and WILL independant of the fact that they are below the age requirement. The average age kids start to drink is around 17-19. this would not change in my opinion if we changed the law. what would change is the ability to legally monitor and control this acohol usage. but really we wont know until it happens.
most kids don't get a hankering for the drunk at age 15, just my experience. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
you think that if the drinking age is lowered then by some mathematical equation kids will be even younger when they start drinking? i don't think so. EVERYONE who wants to drink will be able to and WILL independant of the fact that they are below the age requirement. The average age kids start to drink is around 17-19. this would not change in my opinion if we changed the law. what would change is the ability to legally monitor and control this acohol usage. but really we wont know until it happens.
most kids don't get a hankering for the drunk at age 15, just my experience. |
i think with kids being able to legally go into a store and by it at the age of 18 that it will become more prevelant at younger ages. i for one didn't really start drinking until college, the only kids that i knew in high school that drank were kids who's parents would buy it for them, which was a small majority of "cool kids". but if the kids could go and buy it they will drink more often and without supervision. since high school kids have friends at different grade levels the younger kids will get introduced to it at a younger age then currently simply because its much more accessible...i don't really see how you can argue against that. |
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| Ibizadreamer AG |
| ok ok ok...why don't the americans copy the europeans in regards to drinking laws...do you see lots of kids hospitalized there? i don't think so |
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| djmetatron |
i guess we grew up in different a different culture. in my case everyone started drinking in highschool (ofcourse not everyone, just people who were.. ah.. ya know.. cool i guess :\). not like drinking all the time, but parties in highschool always had alcohol, mostly starting in junior year (but as a sophomore and freshmen i had a couple experiences). anyway i think if this was legal kids wouldn't be afraid to get help if they needed it and parents wouldn't be so in the dark about it and it wouldn't be so taboo that kids would want it as much and wouldn't go crazy as much. i know when i used alcohol before i was 21 i was very irresponsible with it and i think that was due to the fact that i knew i was already doing something irresponsible by breaking the law that it didn't matter as much how far i went. after 21 i became much more mature about it simply because the entire reason i did it was for the enjoyment and not the excitement.
really i find it hard to believe most of the parties you went to in highschool didn't have alcohol (floorfiller). it's foolish to think it doesn't go on and we should take a more relaxed view of it that way kids wont think it's such a big deal, cause really it isn't. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by djmetatron
i guess we grew up in different a different culture. in my case everyone started drinking in highschool (ofcourse not everyone, just people who were.. ah.. ya know.. cool i guess :\). not like drinking all the time, but parties in highschool always had alcohol, mostly starting in junior year (but as a sophomore and freshmen i had a couple experiences). anyway i think if this was legal kids wouldn't be afraid to get help if they needed it and parents wouldn't be so in the dark about it and it wouldn't be so taboo that kids would want it as much and wouldn't go crazy as much. i know when i used alcohol before i was 21 i was very irresponsible with it and i think that was due to the fact that i knew i was already doing something irresponsible by breaking the law that it didn't matter as much how far i went. after 21 i became much more mature about it simply because the entire reason i did it was for the enjoyment and not the excitement.
really i find it hard to believe most of the parties you went to in highschool didn't have alcohol (floorfiller). it's foolish to think it doesn't go on and we should take a more relaxed view of it that way kids wont think it's such a big deal, cause really it isn't. |
well...i mean i don't really care if they lower the drinking age or not. i guess i didn't know there was that much drinking going on at a high school age and maybe it is just a difference within the US as well...
ps. i was a loser in high school and didn't go to parties hahaha :p |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibizadreamer AG
ok ok ok...why don't the americans copy the europeans in regards to drinking laws...do you see lots of kids hospitalized there? i don't think so |
Exactly. Thinking lowering the drinking age to 18 will introduce kids to drinking at younger ages is wrong, because, yes it will introduce them at younger ages, but in my experiences in being in foriegn countries and having family in Mexico, they learn at a young age to be mature with alchohol. My cousins who are younger than me know how to drink and can be mature with it, very different experience from when I'm drinking with friends. The average age for people that started to drink at my school was about 16, so I've seen both sides of the coin. It's hard on kids when they are subjectyed to their houses to drink and not at social gatherings, minus the occasional party here and there.
I think people are focusing on "pregaming" too much and not focusing on the real problem. Keeping the age at 21 induces underage drinking to be, as the author says, a "forbidden fruit." It causes more problems then it prevents. If the government wanted to prevent drinking and driving, as this is the cause of the law, they shouldn't focus on the drinking, but the driving. The should have sricter laws and formalities with dealing with drinking and driving focusing on the driving aspect. |
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| Swamper |
| pregaming? Never heard that one, it's predrinking around here, lol. |
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| UWM |
I agree w/Swamper.
Pregaming is waking up drunk from the night before at 8am and slamming beers/doing shots on football saturdays. This is definitely predrinking. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
ive always thought this way.
an interesting fact...
germany's driving age:: 18
america's driving age:: 16
germany's drinking age:: 16
america's drinking age:: 21
germany's car accident death rate:: (.75/100,000)
america's car accident death rate:: (.85/100,000)
seems to me, if you lower teh drinking age, people can learn how to drink more responsibly. no excuse for drunk driving, they should be punished just the same, but for those just looking for a good time, they should be allowed it. |
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| smokeape |
Beer was legal back in Virginia when I hit 18 back in the day. Hard liquor was also legal at 18 in Washington, D.C. or West Virginia. However, in West Virginia, the only beer they had for sale statewide was 3.2% water no matter if you were 70 years old. I think binge drinking in college is more of a phenomena now than back in the day proportionally. Drugs were probably more of a problem back then, since it was illegal and alcohol was legal to the college students. If everythig is illegal, they may tend to weigh more heavily on alcohol than drugs these days not having experienced either.
My thoughts anyhow.
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| Orbax |
pre-funking here.
Except pre-funk usually turns into "sooo uh, wanna just go grab another 5 dollar 12 of pabst and watch lord of the rings all night?"
"...Yes"
That author is writing to the only people who would read it. Parents. Its bull, and any college kid you sat down with would tell you the same exact thing as did Jason in his first couple of posts.
"no in my college went to hospital for drinking"
#1 bull
#2 it was probably LSD or Acid related
#3 you had ty hospitals and your parents beat you physically
we go there, get yellow bagged, and go back to drinkin'
parents might not even know,woot, and they wont actually do anything to you |
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