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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Tell me how Bush is responsible for local State government issues again?
Obviously he's going to step in, in a time of a major crisis such as this, but this fiasco of an evacuation had absolutely NOTHING to do with Bush so let's stop trying to blame him when we really should be pointing fingers at the locally elected state governer and local mayor. |
Oh ing please. Get off the ing Bush apologist blogs for one second and take a look at ing reality with me. This is a local and State affair only?
Since when is a ing natural disaster of this magnitude only a State matter? What ing part of "FEDERAL" from the "F" in FEMA is not understood? What exactly is said on Department of Homeland Security Website and listed as a "primary responsibility", under which FEMA is coordinated under?: Here, let's look:
| quote: | In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp |
What part of that above is not comprehensible to you Bush apologists here? Is the Dept. of Homeland Security still a FEDERAL part of the government?
Now look, don't get me wrong here. I give no quarter to this major -up from the local (mayor), State (governor), and federal level. That means anyone, ANYONE involved in this mess should share the blame accordingly.
Yet you seemingly want to avoid the fact that this is also a FEDERAL matter, and the response by our ing FEDERAL government was just fine and dandy.
Bulling.
You realize that this FEMA director, one that was appointed by Bush himself, didn't realize the people in the Superdome and Convention Center didn't have food or water UNTIL THURSDAY?!?!? Now you can discuss about coordination levels and problems from within all you want, and to much of that extent I'll agree with you. But this is his ing job to know these issues.
But what on earth do you expect from an appointed GOP hack who's previous job was ing horse shows - a job in which he got fired from?:
http://business.bostonherald.com/bu...rticleid=100857
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12554964.htm
That, sir, is disconnect in which simply one could have no possible answer for.
This ing Administration is back to it's old defense of smear and shift the blame onto someone else. It's disgusting, especially at a time like this. When the will they ever own up to their responsibilities? I will not let you or anyone else fall for that. Yeah, I read this article too which outlines Bush trying to shift the blame on local and state officials:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090301680.html
But the WaPost does us all a favor and counters this story with a great one of its own:
| quote: | Despite four years and tens of billions of dollars spent preparing for the worst, the federal government was not ready when it came at daybreak on Monday, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior officials and outside experts.
Among the flaws they cited: Failure to take the storm seriously before it hit and trigger the government's highest level of response. Rebuffed offers of aid from the military, states and cities. An unfinished new plan meant to guide disaster response. And a slow bureaucracy that waited until late Tuesday to declare the catastrophe "an incident of national significance," the new federal term meant to set off the broadest possible relief effort.
...Indeed, the warnings about New Orleans's vulnerability to post-hurricane flooding repeatedly circulated at the upper levels of the new bureaucracy, which had absorbed the old lead agency for disasters, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, among its two dozen fiefdoms. "Beyond terrorism, this was the one event I was most concerned with always," said Joe M. Allbaugh, the former Bush campaign manager who served as his first FEMA head.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090301653.html |
And hey, Bill Frist must hate America too, right?:
| quote: | "No coordination with how many people will be coming in the door 10 minutes later," he told The Associated Press. "That's sort of the most disappointing thing. It's probably the greatest failure."
"Given the escalation of catastrophe that occurred over the first three days, absolutely I would have liked to see the federal government respond quicker, more rapidly, with better command and control centers and much improved communication," Frist said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_go_co/katrina_frist |
But it doesn't help, not one ing bit that Bush himself essentially set out to destroy FEMA. That latter article from the WaPost explains it in detail.
Or how's this - Bush gave FEMA the authority to intervene LAST SATURDAY. That's right - they could have and should have been mobilized WITH OR WITHOUT state/local authority and coordination. When FEMA comes to town, you let them do what they need:
Or how about FEMA blowing off Chicago's offer to help that was given to them LAST SUNDAY?:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley03.html
And let's see, what else did Bush do lately? Oh, how about faking levee repair for a photo-op?:
http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952
Or how about the fact that his visit grounded Relief Choppers?:
| quote: | In St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, just south of New Orleans, victims of the hurricane are still waiting for food and water and for buses to escape the floodwaters, [ Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La.] said. And for the entire time Bush was in the state, the congressman said, a ban on helicopter flights further stalled the delivery of food and supplies.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12548040.htm |
Nice, huh?
And speaking of FEDERAL response, how fast did Bush respond to his brother's state last year in comparison?:
http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-09-28/cover_story.html
And our military is standing by ready to drop food packages into the stricken area, but hasn't been able to yet because FEMA HAS YET TO ASK FOR IT:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090200670_2.html
And in regards to other states wanting to send National Guard troops to help out, Governor Blanco had sent out those requests last Sunday, but some states weren't able to do so because BUSH WAS SITTING ON THE PAPERWORK UNTIL THURSDAY:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard
Well that wouldn't have anything to do with his vacation or anything now, would it? I thought he carries a fax machine around with him?
| quote: | Besides that, New Orleans has been under the water line for how long? I'm dumb-founded how there couldn't possibily be an emergency blue-print for exactly this kind of situation especially with the possibility of such a catastrophy staring them right in the face every single day...
But I supppose that's Bush's fault too...:rolleyes: |
Mothering right it was. How about this "blueprint":
http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2763
A scenario FEMA had practiced over a year ago, on what to do in this exact situation/debacle we are in now.
Now just to recap, FEMA is federal, right?
And one other thing - Bush's father sent in some 25,000 troops for hurricane Andrew. Now why did he do that if such events were local and State matters only?
| quote: | | As far as the poor and helpless; what I'm refering to is exactly what's reflected in the Mayor's rant and what the article below has to saw; we're dealing with a welfare state filled with people who lost nothing and care about nothing, hence the lawlessness and chaos that has errupted. |
How do you know what they do and don't have? Since when has your white ass been down in the ghetto of New Orleans? Most folks there DID have a roof over their heads, right? They DID have some food, right?
And who are you to judge about what they "care" about? So they're just a bunch of lawless animals to you? All 100,000 of them, right? Because, hey, they live in dumps, they care about nothing, come on and say it - they CHOOSE to live this way, right?
Please think before you say callous like that. Of course I won't deny the lawlessness of some, but this should not be the focus, dear Faux News watcher. Yes there are those few who shoot, kill, and rape for no reason. But they are the rare exception and not the rule. There are also those who are lawless TO ING STAY ALIVE too. But the last I checked, how most of those folks at the Convention Center were for the most part, peaceful. They were just sitting there waiting to die - and some did.
| quote: | Mother nature has kicked over the log of the democratic welfare hive and now everyone is going to pay; including the innocent, sick and downtrodden.
Last I checked (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but last I checked, welfare is a State matter. |
I'm trying to understand your point here. Please explain. And tell me how that relates to the complete failures of FEMA, a federal branch created to help in the case of natural disasters.
| quote: | Maybe Kathleen Blanco(D) should have done more to take care of that particular issue before it became an albotross around her neck.
But hey, let's financially support the drug dealers, crackheads and sloths cause you know, a country is only morally good as it's weakest link...
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As I said, I don't give Blanco any quarter for her share of blame. But it is a complete non sequitor to tell us about your belief on the background of these people, let alone make sweeping generalizations like you just did above about these people. "Drug dealers, crackheads, and sloths"? All of them, right? And they just deserve no ing FEMA help, because they're all crackheads, right?
Who cares, man? They're human beings. First off, kill your generalizations on these people right now. Second, they deserve FEMA attention just as much as the next man.
I will not allow you to divert attention away from Bush's complete share of the blame like that. This is a disaster on all levels, INCLUDING THE FEDERAL LEVEL. There's a reason why a lot of Republicans like Frist are beginning to distance themselves from Bush right now, and it's a damn good reason too.
Edited after calming down a bit:D |
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| Fir3start3r |
I'm not about to excuse dumbass people who were given adequate warning about a ING CATAGORY 5 HURRICANE coming their way.
Approx. 75% of New Orleans was evauated before the hurricane hit leaving who?
I would have to say those turkeys looking up into the sky wondering were all the rain is coming from.
Even the poorest of the poor have access to a radio or a phone but I guess I'm supposed to foot around the real problem which is they were too dumb to leave in the 1st place so I guess that's FEMAs fault too.
They knew that hurricane was coming, it just didn't decide to 'show up' one day.
The government can't be responsible for holding eveyone's hand, all the time.
The current chaos is a direct result (if you read the article) of those left behind; hence my comments regarding crackheads, thugs and sloths (oh and let's not forget, prisoners!).
Normal people don't go shooting at rescue helicopters! wtf!! :wtf:
Now are they all crackheads, thugs and sloths? Probably not, there's actually be some real nice people who for some incomprehensible reason, decided to stay.
If everyone had evauated when they were supposed to, this current situation would be a whole lot better; who was to guess that the levee would give way?
Obviously not this man, Michael Brown, who apparently had his finger up his ass.
Yes, he's appointed by Mr.Bush but obviously Mr.Brown is incapable of such a posting.
Just a snipet from this blog regarding Mr.Brown...
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No one -- NO ONE -- who knows anything about New Orleans's geography and topography and levee system would ever have thought for a single moment on Saturday and Sunday that Katrina, if it followed the predicted path, was going to be a "typical hurricane situation." Jesus Christ!! For how many years now has this article been out there?!? and this one? And many more like them? Did Michael Brown never read them? Was he not familiar with the science? Was FEMA's director unaware of what has been acknowledged for many years as the #1 most serious natural disaster threat in all of America?!?
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It's safe to say, that there will be a LOT of finger pointing but in the end, this is a catastrophic up in ALL corners of government, so if I seem a little Bush appologetic, it's only because he's far from being the only one to blame, but everyone only wants to point the finger at one person.
Bush just seems to be everyone's knee-jerked reaction without taking the full senario into picture...
Having said that, I do appreciate the post Opus, since this poor dumb Canuck doesn't normally delve into the inter-workings of American policy all that much. :) |
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| dj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm not about to excuse dumbass people who were given adequate warning about a ING CATAGORY 5 HURRICANE coming their way.
Approx. 75% of New Orleans was evauated before the hurricane hit leaving who?
I would have to say those turkeys looking up into the sky wondering were all the rain is coming from.
Even the poorest of the poor have access to a radio or a phone but I guess I'm supposed to foot around the real problem which is they were too dumb to leave in the 1st place so I guess that's FEMAs fault too.
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The poor people who were left behind couldnt afford gas let alone a car to get out. So its there fault they were trapped and the govt didnt help them? OffCoarse rich and middle class got out cause they can afford to move to a hotel in another city without problems.
I like how your blaiming the victims here.. :rolleyes:
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| metalgearsolid |
| Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You ing idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You ing idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't ing care than just shut the up. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj
The poor people who were left behind couldnt afford gas let alone a car to get out. So its there fault they were trapped and the govt didnt help them? OffCoarse rich and middle class got out cause they can afford to move to a hotel in another city without problems.
I like how your blaiming the victims here.. :rolleyes:
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Are you trying to tell me that these people didn't have the opporutunity to leave days before, even after a MANDITORY EVACUATION NOTICE???
I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people?? :wtf:
Any one of them could have picked up a phone and called someone saying they needed help getting out of the city.
I agree with this quote, "I'm expecting that some people who are die-hards will die hard," from the above article.
It was predicted that at least 10,000 would stay behind so why should we be so shocked about the death toll tally after the levee gave way?
Let's be logical about this; there's no way loss of life was going to be avoided 100% and we certainly can't help those that don't want to help themselves, so lets stop thinking the government wasn't doing anything for these people.
They had every opportunity to and they choose to stay and they paid the price for their decision.
Blame government if you want but not everything is their fault either (albeit their end wasn't much better).
I'll state it here like I did in Opus's post, this was a catastrophic screw up on ALL levels...
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| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You ing idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You ing idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't ing care than just shut the up. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people?? |
I guess it's gonna take an act of God or some other calamity for you to figure out that you're human like the rest of us and you bleed red blood like the rest of us.
The epiphany of your mortality will open your eyes when you come across that fact.
Sad when people think it can never happen to them until it does. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Fir3start3r,
You simply must understand that many, if not most of these people in these areas simply had no means of transportation getting out and evacuating. A couple of things to keep in mind:
1. It's 95 degrees in the shade on an August day in New Orleans, with 95% humidity. Take a family of 4 with things to carry on their backs (including children), tell them to take a hike 15 miles or so out of harm's way, and see just how far they can go in that heat.
2. Where exactly would they be going as a destination? You think a lovely carnival full of clowns and rides with cotton candy and slushies are waiting for them? Food? H2O? They had no real destination here. They are poor as dirt with no mode of real transportation.
With all that said, I realize there are some idiots there that just refuse any help or guidance given to them. Unfortunately they will die a pretty horrible death of disease, starvation, and/or dehydration. Even today some folks were refusing to leave their homes even after they were told they would be stuck there for at least 30 days without food or H20. What can you do in those unfortunate situations but say, " 'em" and move on? I do understand this, but keep in mind that these are the exceptions and not the rule.
But as for the rest of these unfortunate folks, I ask you to please show a little more compassion for them. I realize I came at you pretty pointedly earlier, and I apologize for that. But please try and examine this from other perspectives aside of your own. |
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| Cyrus King |
| Firestarter... stop posting while you can.. these people are making you look like an idiot. |
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| koky69 |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You ing idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You ing idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't ing care than just shut the up. |
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Firestarter... stop posting while you can.. these people are making you look like an idiot. |
He can't help it, especially when it comes to showing some sympathy and consideration towards those less fortunate. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
He can't help it, especially when it comes to showing some sympathy and consideration towards those less fortunate. |
Considering you guys are only reading what you want to read of my posts reconsider...
You'll see time and time against I'm refering to those that DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE not those that COULDN'T LEAVE....
Do I have to spell everything out of you guys? sheesh...
Just what kind of vapid moral cesspool of a heart do you think I have?? Good grief... :rolleyes:
Yes, there were a lot of people that didn't leave or couldn't leave and a lot that died or will; that's a fact and there's no disputing that.
I point out, citing other sources, that some (est. 10,000) diehards would have stayed (not MY opinion) regardless of the consequences, and all of a sudden, I'm the heartless one?? :conf:
MisterOpus1: I agree with you 100%; of those that WANTED to get the hell out but couldn't, I clearly blame the local and state governments; in the first couple of days, it was their duty to evacuate everyone until the federal government could get their act together to help out.
Now I'm reading stuff that local shelters didn't even have 2 days worth of supplies and a parking lot full of buses just blocks away from the dome weren't utilized to help evacuate. :whip:
I'm pissed at the number of people dead and government irresponsibility as much as the next person, so lets not make illogical deductions about misinterpeted postings on my part when clearly it doesn't even make sense to come to such a conclusion; who the hell wouldn't be upset???
Sorry to rain on everyone's Fir3start3r-is-an-idiot-parade but NOW do you understand where I'm coming from??
Let me dumb this down for some of you...
Those that chose to stay = dumbass
Those that couldn't leave because of obvious reasons = dumbass government(s).
Are we clear? |
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