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The Effect that BT uses (pg. 3)
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thois
everyone always talks about bt, but ive never heard anything from him, and i call myself a ta........ his music must really suck :happy2: |
Of course you have....
You've heard Somnambulist, haven't you?
Or what about LOVE COMES AGAIN?!
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| aquila |
| Flaming June always comes to mind when I think of BT....absolute classic imho. |
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| moth |
| i hear that live symphony thing he does is amazing |
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| superddman |
here is just an idea...
couldn't you record that rolling bearing sound, then run that through a good Audio2Midi plug to create a midi sequence, then load your vocal into a sampler and activate it using the previously created midi sequence.
What do you guys think? Am I on drugs? |
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| thoughtlessjex |
He really is a genius. No, literally. His IQ is 170+, according to the imdb.
But yeh, his music is stunning. Every time I hear his stuff, I'm absolutely blown away. His attention to detail is so amazing. It'd be great if other artists did what he's doing. I'd like to hang out with him some day.
I gotta say, though, his new hairdo sucks. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by moth
i hear that live symphony thing he does is amazing |
It is pretty cool, especially when he blows the mixer by spilling his coke on it. :thepirate |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
He really is a genius. No, literally. His IQ is 170+, according to the imdb.
But yeh, his music is stunning. Every time I hear his stuff, I'm absolutely blown away. His attention to detail is so amazing. It'd be great if other artists did what he's doing. I'd like to hang out with him some day.
I gotta say, though, his new hairdo sucks. |
Nah man.. I like his hairdo.. :D I wanna get something like that.. ofcourse.. leaving the highlights out..
It's funny how people here are like "OMGOMG these tracks are STRAIGHT UP trance classics from back in the day and don't mention flaming june at all.. I wish Flaming June is given more credit.. because come on it came out '97 and still kicks ass in 2005... not to forget that it is one of the best tracks composed melodically to date. |
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| The Drow |
I can't belive you all forgot BT - Mercury & Solece (BT 12" Mastermix).
It's one the best trance tracks that are out there.
Omer |
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| peejunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You can get some okay results using granular synthesis plugins but you really have to know what you're doing, and if you know what you're doing then it's often easier just to do the edits and cuts by hand.
No software can automagically create stutters except maybe for math-music plugins. The reason is that not every part of a sound is "stutterable" - for vocals, it's almost always the plosive sounds that get the stutter, so only a correctly-programmed math-music plugin would actually be able to detect the plosives in an arbitrary vocal sound and sync it properly. |
By this I take it you haven't tried Glitch, it's automatable to do any of that stuff at a proprietary place using MIDI sequencing or automation.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
No, sorry, the native FL plugins suck. |
No, sorry, they don't. In general, plugins don't suck, users do. Sure some can't do this and that, horses for courses and all. But most musical tools are capeable of a lot more than most people are aware.
Besides, a stutter efect can indeed be achieved by automating the Hold control on the granulizer at the point you want the stutter to occur, and setting up parameters properly (low attack which mens glitchy no-envelope behaviour, and hold, wave-spread and grain-spread set up so that grains are of suitable size, one needs to experiment a bit).
OTOH, usual stutter edits include automating the volume, maybe even filter etc, so it makes more sense to cut up a vocal recording into a multisample (or make a Layer of samplers containing clips in FL) and sequence and then use simple MIDI stutters for stuttering (velocity can perform volume enveloping). This is no less time consuming than doing audio edits, but it can be more flexible.
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Granular synthesis <> stutters. GS is more like symmetric gating and enveloping. |
Not quite. Granular resynthesis (as there is no such thing as granular SYNTHESIS) is indeed quite like stuttering/retriggering but instead of repeating one "chip" of audio it scans through the recording triggering chips at different start points in the audio recording. Thus, the HOLD conrtrol on the granulizer can cause stuttery effects as well as low-quality timestretching effect (the DnB chic of mid nineties), flangy timestretch automations (like the Fatboy Slim sound from Rockafeller Skunk) and many other I've never even tried.
The FX section of granulizer can cuse some IDM-ish, "random" stuttery wirdness without any automation or useri input.
It is more than a capeable resynthesizer in right hands. |
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| qiushiming |
i agree with most people here that BT is simply a musical god...but hes made some stupid career moves....i mean ---> wtf??
has anyone seen this show? |
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| nova2wl |
Last night i watched the show for the first time and thought i saw BT djing a party Tommy Lee had at the end of the year. I was like "theres no way thats BT" and then the credits came up and the executive producer was BT and i just said w-t-f.
I liked the show though haha |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by peejunk
By this I take it you haven't tried Glitch, it's automatable to do any of that stuff at a proprietary place using MIDI sequencing or automation. |
What the hell... proprietary? Do you even know what that word means? Here you are correcting my terminology and you can't even string together a coherent sentence.
It's time for your lesson Mr. "peejunk" - listen up.
First of all, it doesn't matter whether you call it granular synthesis or granular resynthesis - neither is actually correct, since it's really just an effect. However, it is almost universally known as granular synthesis - go ahead and search on google, you are probably going to find 100 times as many results for the former term.
Granular synthesis is a glorified gate. The only differences are:
1. It uses slices of usually less than 50 ms (which is about the cutoff point where the human ear can hear discrete events);
2. It has a linear and ramped attack and release, unlike a gate which is simply a pulse, and the attack and release are equal; and
3. Some GS plugins allow you to perform additional processing on the individual slices.
As you yourself said, this may produce an effect that sounds similar to stuttering, to someone who is not overly familiar with the effect, however it is NOT a stutter. Stuttering by definition is repeating the same sound. In fact, the ONLY similarity between GS and stuttering is that effects are being applied to very small slices of audio. That's it! There are lots of things you can do with tiny slices that are not stutters!
Using MIDI-triggered gates for stuttering is nearly impossible, since MIDI timing is about as accurate as a sundial and nowhere near precise enough to handle the miniscule slices that are usually used in a proper stutter. You need plugins with sample-accurate timing, and you have to tell them exactly when to start buffering and when to start repeating the buffer - which is essentially the exact same thing as doing the edits by hand, except it's LESS flexible, because you're limited to whatever effects the plugin can produce as opposed to your entire array of effect plugins if you did it by hand!
FYI, the "low-quality timestretch" on older D'n'B tracks is just linear resampling, unless there's some particular effect you're talking about that I'm not aware of.
And as for the FL native plugins, functionally speaking they are as versatile as many other plugins out there; however, it's the sound quality on them that sucks. If you think it's simply the users that suck, then feel free to put your money where your mouth is and show us what you can do with your precious Fruity Granulizer. |
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