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Trance & The Radio (pg. 3)
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| davinox |
Marshall Mathers LP was so incredibly good (take out The Real Slim Shady, and maybe Stan....) flow wise, imo.... Pop in any rap cd, underground or mainstream, and listen to the flows...mmm...stale. Many have ALOT of talent, but in a rap fan like myself who looks at the actual rhymes, the actual difficulty it took to spit some of those lyrics.... Think Dre's studio forged his skills? Download an old radio show with his Freestyles. They are incredible! In one, the DJ gives him a new word every three to five seconds, and he incorperates it into his flow, perfectly! And he actually uses it in his rap, unlike most other rappers who just throws the word in.
However extremely talented Eminem is (Listen to Drug Ballad, Kill You, and Criminal) Eminem is pretty dumb, in my oppinion. First of all, in order to become well known, he had to make an image...urgh... It distracted himself away from his talent...as shown in his new movie coming out! YOU'RE NOT AN ACTOR, YOU'RE A RAPPER! Try to top Marshall Mathers LP, oh wait, you hired D12, some of the test rappers on the planet, just to beat some Detroit Goth rappers up, and make you millions.
I don't like Em, but i LOVE his music. Got a problem with it? :D
It's funny, my rap friends make fun of me cuz i love trance, and my trance friends make fun of me cuz i like rap.... urgh!
BTW: the only trance songs they play in Dallas are Better off Alone, Sandstorm, and Castles in the Sky, so you in Chicago have it lucky!!!! |
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| Zombie0915 |
| Being a trance newbie myself, I do feel kind of angry that all this wonderful music was kept hidden from me so long, because you all think I am some bandwagoner pop kid who is gonna ruin the scene. The truth is I hated all the music I heard on the radio, kids made fun of me because I didn't listen to alternative and I just thought music completely sucked altogether. I opened my mind to find anything I liked and it ended up being in the background of some crappy shareware game and on some shoutcast stations. I've been looking for this since I was 12, but didn't find it until I was 16. I'm 17 now and have learned that everything sucks compared to what it was. I was friggin looking for it the whole time! Why didn't you tell me! Now everyone thinks I'm following the same fad they follow, until I tell them catles in the sky is 10 times older then they think it is, but nobody really bothers to ask. They usually just say "Turn that crap off". I have a few questions to ask everyone. What doesn't suck compared to what it used to be, what are all of you enjoying now that you are keeping me away from? My mind is open and I'm simply trying to find it, I'm not gonna ruin your vibe or corrupt your scene. I don't know much about trance, or raving, or electronic music because nobody wants to tell me anything and the people I ask around me just don't know. I don't like the idea of hiding this from people who are looking for it (like me). But when the masses get to it and try to milk cash and popularity out of it things are gonna get screwed up. So the trick is telling the fad people and the cash hungry apart from the open minds. Maybe when trance isn't a fad anymore things will start getting better, but then you all talk about 1999 when it was popular and you all loved it. So maybe if a lot of open minded people get into it instead of posers things will shape up again. But I jsut don't know, because I'm a newbie and nobody is telling me anything. |
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| tiesto14 |
to Zombie0915
you seem to be an EXCEPTION to the rule..i can tell by the way u speak...i wasnt talking about people like you...i am talking about the kids that laughed at our music before it was played on the radio...the ones would tell us to turn that off.....i am not going to get into it again...i listed the type of people i am talking about earlier in the thread...
The scene in AMerica will NEVER be the way it was...i dont think so...now that mainstream is catching on, the capitilists will ruin it for us here...if u think i am wrong just wait...you will see..they did it to most every other genre of music...
And as for Rap..... i do know a thing or 2 about it...1 rap NOW a days is crap, compared to what it used to be.....you can NEVER compare
Eminem to artists like Eric B. & Rakim or KRS ONE .....they style has changed because rap became to muc like POP...in every rap song now all u hear is "bling-bling-this-bling-bling-that" or "i got my hoes" or "my mercedes is fat and LALALA"...no originality anymore....rap died with the release of Wu Tangs first album and B.I.G's first album...because it got all the radio play here in AMerica...thats a fact...ask anyone who knows their about rap and they will tell you....artists like Eric B., KRS1, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Brand Nubian, and Slick Rick had style...now all u need is to rent a big fat Mercedes and a huge diamond chain, get a bunch of hoes and have some record company wright your lyrics or if uw ant wright them on your own by throwing down some ty ass rhymes and your good as gold....thats a fact..like it or not..i remember when rap was new and how it never got radio play...thats when it was unique and not so money consumed....
The underground scene of trance/tech and rave culture is dieing slowly here in AMerica.. this is due in part to the radio, trance-hoppers, and capitilists...as far as the RAVE scene that is dieing VERY fast because of E-TARDS and people like that.,.....people like me and other real ravers even said this back in 1992 and 1993 that once the rave scene became popular and mainstream it would be ruined....and you know what it DID....thats that |
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| SportTrance |
rap...lol what a in joke... "minorities" who made it big.......then brag about it on national radio and tv, and people here eat it up.....amazing..... rap = crap, remember that, rap equals crap.....lol.....Some rap artists are an exception, no doubt.....But seriously though, if ANY of you rap "fans" want to step up and argue about how rap takes "skill", "love for the music", etc. bring it on.... also, if you want to argue about how rap has overall "improved or bettered" society, bring that on too!
The rule is, no non-US citizens can argue with this subject...... We Americans have to listen to this everyday, watch it on MTV, and watch this crap form of bull corrupt society everday......
if you like rap, so be it....to each his own........ |
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| Zombie0915 |
| I just wished I would have found this sooner. Somethign has gotta start up here that isn't crap or I'm gonna go crazy |
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| Nadi |
| You guys are lucky to even have trance played on your radio stations. I cant find a single radio station in my area were they play trance. Its all a bunch of mtv crap and rap :( |
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| vkapartz |
| quote: | Originally posted by displaced
there will always be creativity, no matter how commercialized trance and the whole electronica genre becomes. the question is whether the general mass be receptive? probably not. i mean, it drives most of my friends and people at work nuts when i play tranc-ier tracks but are willing to listen and even tap to the beat to mainstream-ized tracks. i think that's the way with most people.:rolleyes:
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Exactly the same thing over here at Athens, Greece. I do get them to listen to "harder" trance remixes of popular 80s songs, too. ;)
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| vkapartz |
| quote: | Originally posted by rock_roll18
how exactly do you presume artists are going to make money...
By playing in clubs only?You have to be kidding me.
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Actually big name DJs can easily make $10,000 to $20,000 in a few hours. When an artist is considered lucky to receive 5% off CD sales, they'd have to sell a ton of them to make that kind of money. :p
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| Lazgti |
I have to agree with ya to a certain extent. Radio stations especially in US kill a track when it becomes popular. That I agree with for sure.
On the other hand, the radio is how I fell in love with electronica. I am not into the rave scene so for me it all came about from listening to the streaming broadcasts of Power 96 in Miami as well as our dance music stations' live to air broadcasts from Toronto clubs. I got curious, so I started looking around the net etc. and as I downloaded a 'popular mainstream' track I also noticed things I haven't heard of from the same DJ or artist and downloaded that too. Soon enough I can say I am more deeper than your typical radio only listener, but I am not so hardcore. It helps expand the scene is what I am getting at. Hopefully it is held in check though...too many newbies will kill it though.
The comments about rap. A few years ago I would have not agreed with you. But now, you are so damn right. Back in the day rappers had some skills and they got off on having better rhymes and beats than the next guy. Now we can all right songs no skills needed. Let me provide you with a glossary of terms to include in your very own rap song to have max impact:
- fu$? hoes
- bling-bling
- platinum & ice
- 20 inchers (referring to the rims on their cars)
- cruising in the six (some high end auto which I don't know)
- Benzy, Mercedes, MB, S500, 500,Bimmer, BMW, 850
- smoke blunts, weed, trees, chronic
- making money, papers, benjamins, dollars
No skills at all. Every song deals with material goods. Its sad because it actually is starting to reflect people's attitudes and personalities. It bothers me that these artists who obviously have so much influence oover the masses (of people without their own brain) can rap or preach to the masses that its OK to not work a '9 to 5', go thuggin, rob people and kill etc. to get their dollars so you can look good cruising in your Mercedes or Lexus. Idiots all rap about the same thing with different voices and beats stolen from songs made in the 70's or 80's or 90s. Skills = Zero |
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| Lazgti |
Geia sou Vaggeli,
Nice to see someone from the motherland to be participating on the board. You guys are getting tonnes of snow these days from what I hear.
Lazaros |
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| SmellsExcellent |
| quote: | Originally posted by vkapartz
Actually big name DJs can easily make $10,000 to $20,000 in a few hours. When an artist is considered lucky to receive 5% off CD sales, they'd have to sell a ton of them to make that kind of money. :p
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Vaggelis |
true, but not all producers who make good music are big name DJs.
too bad huh?
-Marc |
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| SmellsExcellent |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lazgti
- cruising in the six (some high end auto which I don't know)
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Its six-four and theyre talking about a 64 impala. People used to, and still do, pimp the outta those cars. Low riders, sweet ass rims, big block 354s, hydraulics... anything goes on those old chevys!
Lata
-Marc |
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