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Iraq Body Count 27,000+ & Rising (pg. 2)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by money_penny
So you don't think that there other countries out there that would LOVE to have the same freedoms we have here America? Why do you think so many people from Cuba leave their home country and come here? People come to America to seek what they couldn't have in their own country. Maybe not all, but most. |
There are many people and I am sure countries that want to be like the united states....I don't know why. That is not the point....it is the fact that Mr. Bush hasn't given them a choice as to what they want. The popular opinion among non americans is that americans think they are just the greatest country and everyone wants to be them....sorry to say but not everyone wants to be an american. The Iraq government...as corrupt as it was....and I am glad Sadam is no longer in power...was still the government and it is up to them to decide what is best for their country....if the people don't like it then it is up to the people to try and change things...it is not up to the united states. We all know Mr. Bush had his own reasons for entering Iraq and I guarantee that one of his reasons for going into Iraq was not to free them. |
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| Lepanto |
| Umm yeah that's why everyone imagrates to the US. Besides, Sadam sure did give people a chance to express their opinions on what they want. You're right though, since he is the gov't he could slaughter Kurds and his own civilians as he sees fit ;) |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Sadam sure did give people a chance to express their opinions on what they want. You're right though, since he is the gov't he could slaughter Kurds and his own civilians as he sees fit ;) |
oh off with the whole he gased his people bull.:rolleyes:
If the Americans really give a about people getting killed they should go and take a look at Africa and try to help millions that die there every year.:o |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Umm yeah that's why everyone imagrates to the US. Besides, Sadam sure did give people a chance to express their opinions on what they want. You're right though, since he is the gov't he could slaughter Kurds and his own civilians as he sees fit ;) |
Yep...everyone comes to the US....no one goes to Europe or Canada or any other country....just the US.
Sadam may not have been a great leader but many residence felt he was. Regardless, it is not up to the states to just decide they want to give a country freedom....if that was the case then why not try and free every country....let Bush send his people to China...oh wait...the Chinese Military would kick their asses so bad there would be nothing left of the americans.....better just pick fights with the nerds and geeks....big ole american bullies |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
oh off with the whole he gased his people bull.:rolleyes:
If the Americans really give a about people getting killed they should go and take a look at Africa and try to help millions that die there every year.:o |
Africa has nothing to offer unlike the Iraq but ofcourse he didn't gas people. fool. :haha:
During the Stalin days, many of his followers thought he was great too. I wonder why:rolleyes: |
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
During the Stalin days, many of his followers thought he was great too. I wonder why:rolleyes: |
If you were Russian Stalin actually made some sense. He was a very clever man. Granted things like executing anyone who posed a threat to his leadership and the political stunts he pulled in his Gov wernt cool, but the 5 year plan and the scorched earth policy were key in victory over Adolf and saving Stalingrad. |
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| money_penny |
yea we really had no business from taking out an evil tyrant who is the only person in history to kill thousands of his own people by testing biological weapons on them or throwing them in a meat grinder for speaking against the goverment
the problem with sadam is that he was an unpredictable rebel tyrant to his own people as well as the rest of the world. He was in the very least one of the most unhumanitartian people in the world today. He had ammassed thousands of biological weapons. Weapons which he was ordered to destroy by the U.N after the gulf war. He was ordered to provide proof of the destruction of these weapons. Since his downfall in the gulf war he never prooved that he had disarmed and destroyed even half of those weapons
US and UK upon hearing information that sadam was seeking nuclear weapons power and maybe in fact building and stockpiling weapons came months after the terroristic attack of 911. Many americans questioned why our government did not take more action to prevent the loss of life in 911.
So you have to understand simply that US took their problem to the UN stating clearly that the sadam was not abiding by the terms set upon the end of gulf war. Which in turn the UN passed an act stating that severe penalty would result if sadam did not allow UN inspectors back in and to proof that he was in fact cooperating and prooving the destruction of his weapons. Lets not even mention the fact that during the time Sadam had inspectors out he had been running succesful long range missle tests. A clear violation of treaties set after his loss in the gulf war.
So we never found any Weapons of mass destruction.,,, does anyone remember the satelite photos of mobile chemical factories... or bulldozers burying buildings under the sand?
Does anyone doubt the close connections between IRAN and Syria to Sadams regime?
The truth is there may be weapons and they're may not be any at all.... which side woould you prefer to error on is what you really have to ask yourself.
It may not even matter that Sadam was such a horrible tyrant that gassed his own people after coming to that conclusion... o im sorry that pure undisputable violation of human rights doesnt matter to you. Well maybe it matter to those people who lost family members in that country. Did you take time to notice that 90 percent of the country took part in their first ever free election despite being shot at or numerous bomb attacks. We cant get that kind of a turn out in the US by giving away free gas.
true we may have lost many american troops
but keep in mind they died for THEIR country and THEIR country will always love them and glorify their honor for their sacrafice
So long as one nation in this world fights for world round democracy even at the cost of some self sacrafice then maybe there is a chance for world peace and a true universal goverment. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Sadam may not have been a great leader but many residence felt he was. Regardless, it is not up to the states to just decide they want to give a country freedom....if that was the case then why not try and free every country....let Bush send his people to China...oh wait...the Chinese Military would kick their asses so bad there would be nothing left of the americans.....better just pick fights with the nerds and geeks....big ole american bullies |
werd.
Freedom has diffrent meanings to diffrent people.You cannot force freedom upon people,the same goes to democracy.Americans( mostly red states) think that they live in a perfect country and everyone is dying to be liek them.Fact is they are far from over and many many issues within.Take a look at what happend to Katrina.A major up. |
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| nchs09 |
| you go to war. expect poeple to die |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by money_penny
yea we really had no business from taking out an evil tyrant who is the only person in history to kill thousands of his own people by testing biological weapons on them or throwing them in a meat grinder for speaking against the goverment |
Do you want me to show you how many other countries do the same or worse to their people?I dont see the U.S trying to remove those leaders.How come?
| quote: | | the problem with sadam is that he was an unpredictable rebel tyrant to his own people as well as the rest of the world. He was in the very least one of the most unhumanitartian people in the world today. |
but yet Americans used him and were very close to him and provided him with weapons to fight the Iranians.Ironic eh?
| quote: | | He had ammassed thousands of biological weapons. Weapons which he was ordered to destroy by the U.N after the gulf war. He was ordered to provide proof of the destruction of these weapons. Since his downfall in the gulf war he never prooved that he had disarmed and destroyed even half of those weapons |
yes those were all provided by the French and the Americans.Do a little research and you'll see what I mean.
| quote: | | US and UK upon hearing information that sadam was seeking nuclear weapons power and maybe in fact building and stockpiling weapons came months after the terroristic attack of 911. Many americans questioned why our government did not take more action to prevent the loss of life in 911. |
oh right I forgot what a huge threat Iraq really was to the American freedom.
| quote: | | So you have to understand simply that US took their problem to the UN stating clearly that the sadam was not abiding by the terms set upon the end of gulf war. Which in turn the UN passed an act stating that severe penalty would result if sadam did not allow UN inspectors back in and to proof that he was in fact cooperating and prooving the destruction of his weapons. Lets not even mention the fact that during the time Sadam had inspectors out he had been running succesful long range missle tests. A clear violation of treaties set after his loss in the gulf war. |
Iraq was simply a family business of Bush,him and his father had this huge fetish with Iraq.It is like nothng mattered but to invade Iraq.
| quote: | | So we never found any Weapons of mass destruction.,,, does anyone remember the satelite photos of mobile chemical factories... or bulldozers burying buildings under the sand? |
oh so thats where they are under the sand? lol
dont you get it? it was all false evidence to convince the people and the UN.
| quote: | | Does anyone doubt the close connections between IRAN and Syria to Sadams regime? |
Are you kidding me?Iraq was enemy to Iran.they were in war for 8 yrs ffs.I really think you should read some history books or at least dont watch alot of fox news,it is bad for your brain.
| quote: | | The truth is there may be weapons and they're may not be any at all.... which side woould you prefer to error on is what you really have to ask yourself. |
fist it was wmd,then it was Saddam is a bad dictator and must be removed then came the whole democracy crap,whats next?
| quote: | | It may not even matter that Sadam was such a horrible tyrant that gassed his own people after coming to that conclusion... o im sorry that pure undisputable violation of human rights doesnt matter to you. |
It does matter but what he did is nothing compare to what goes on in other places in this world.
| quote: | | Well maybe it matter to those people who lost family members in that country. Did you take time to notice that 90 percent of the country took part in their first ever free election despite being shot at or numerous bomb attacks. We cant get that kind of a turn out in the US by giving away free gas. |
when there is no security in a country and people fear living their lives I dont think an election would matter that much to them,sure it is big but the fact is the situation there has gotten worse and it seems like they are going toward a civil war.
| quote: | true we may have lost many american troops
but keep in mind they died for THEIR country and THEIR country will always love them and glorify their honor for their sacrafice |
They died for their country?tell me what did Iraq ever do to your country?why do the doldiers have to die for?
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So long as one nation in this world fights for world round democracy even at the cost of some self sacrafice then maybe there is a chance for world peace and a true universal goverment. |
again you caanot force democracy,and please just think about the fact that not all countries are waiting for the Americans to come and save them. |
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| money_penny |
why do you keep bringing up that there are so many other horrible things going on the world are you not content and able to talk about this issue solely? I thought the fact they we were their already and not in all these other places might be enough for a closed discussion on the subject which from the title of this forum i believe it is. However I will humor your inadequacy, the fact is we cant take out all the evil tyrants at once and liberate all the suffereings of the people everywhere at once
it would spread our forces out too thin and lead to failure to protect our own borders or the overseas interests we already partake in.
and as for providing sadam with weapons lol get ur facts straight we provided the taliban with weapons and military support to take out the russians in afghanistan
the iraqis are toting around russian SKSs not american rifles which are killing our troops
he never got the chance to use biological weapons b/c he buried them too deep in the sand in hopes of hiding them and hoping that France would stop the US coalition in the UN he didnt consider NATO.
we provided Sadam with biologial weapons lol yea that may be true that we gave him biologiacal weapons but he contined the program with his own scientest after the iranian war, and he was supposed to discontinue the program along with destroying all the weapons after the gulf war.... isnt this more of reason to do what we did? Isnt that more of a reason to demand he stop the programs allow true inspections and to provide subsational proof of the destruction of the weapons... which i remind you that is pure undisputable fact that he never did.
you forgot how huge of a threat iraq was to american freedom.. hmm let me remind you.
Iraqs missles were perfectly in range of hmm lets see a American Alliance member named Israel.... do you know what would happen if Iraq had bombed Israel, to make a long story short a full out war in the middle east which quite possible might have led to WW3 based on simply the same way previous world wars started two or more nations get in a scuffle which brings in alliance members and pretty soon yea WW3.
Yea Bush really conviced congress and the house and the pentagon to go in and take out sadam purely to finish family business.
False evidence lol yea really your kidding me right
and further more your comment at the bottom of your posts, your "signature" please take it out it makes you look like a fool
a terror attack is one made with no expressed warning
i dont recall the taliban phoning president bush or declaring to the UN that Al-Qaeda was going to hijack planes and crash them into our pentagon and the world trade towers.
I do recall however the U.S. trying vainly to go through the U.N. to resolve the situation in Iraq but we have the French to thank for that...
maybe its b.c they despise not being a true super power anymore, and only remain so due to their special relationship with germany or maybe it was that the Iraqis are known for burning oil refineries when they are losing a war, which France had a considerable percent of foreign investment in iraqi oil..... hmmm who knows....
my question to you is your not even american, your not even an iraqi, so wtf do you care? who is sticking whose nose into whose business now eh? Our troops died for our country's greatest cause, democracy. The fight for democracy at home as well as abroad is America's most noble cause. It is pure fact that their has never been a war between two democracies. You keep saying we are trying to force democracy onto these people. We set them up with a free nation and policed it for them so they could freely setup a interim government that represented all their peoples to decide on what type of government they wished to form. We didnt force them to do anything. We simply gave them what they lacked.. the oppurtunity. |
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| DiMethGuy |
Freedom Checklist:
Afghanistan - Check
Iraq - Check
Iran - Up next
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