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A picture is worth 1000 words--Sheehan Arrested (pg. 3)
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
This "news" reminded me of the following rant from ruthlessreviews.com |
HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!
THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST I EVER READ! LOOOOOOOOOLLL!
:toothless :wtf: :eyespop: :p :D :D
ROFL
THANK YOU! |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
regardless, it is a Democracy. tear their efforts down, regardless of the fearless work being done there. |
It's not THEIR efforts I'm tearing down, it's OURS, and you ing goddamn know it. It's cute when you attempt to obfuscate my points like that, but it's tiresome and annoying as too.
OUR efforts are not the same as theirs, unless you think OUR efforts was a means to establish an Islamic fundamentalist regime that holds women's rights in a piss bucket and uses the Law of Islam as a guiding principle.
Or are you trying to tell me that it was ALWAYS Bush's plan to go there looking for WMD, not find them whatsoingever, not find any connections to Al Qaeda and the ******s that attacked us, divert our attention away from the ******s that attacked us by invading another country, and set up an Islamic fundamentalist regime similar to that of Iran - all in his cunning scheming mind, right?
And that cause is what we had in mind all along, right?
| quote: | | you would have a point if these were Norwiegians you and Sheehan were protesting, but they are Muslims in the cradle of the Muslim world. not white Christians. not Jews. not even Canadians. i'm proud of whats being done and sacrificed. no one doesn't have to be in the military or a "chickenhawk" or "killed in an ambush" to appreciate that. |
Good for you. Be proud of the cause all you like, but that doesn't justify Bush's complete idiocy, nor does it justify yours either. I'm glad you're so proud of this so-called "democracy" that we are setting up that resembles nothing but an Islamic fundamentalist government. I'm glad you love taking a woman's rights and taking a giant on them. I'm glad you love going to war on false pretenses and completely diverting our attention away from the ******s that attacked us (or at the very least, outsourcing that war to ing warlords in another country - good one).
It truly says much about your character, Q. But that's something we've known all along..... |
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| Shakka |
I'm constantly baffled by the mechanics of censorship in the PDD forum. When you say the "******s" that attacked us, do you intend to say the "******s" that attacked us? I mean it lets you say "", but not "******s". Where is George Carlin when you need him???
Furthermore, couldn't you just sit back, have a latte and join the funny caption Cindy game?:p :toothless
Edit: Oh, now that's just great. YOu can really say "" but not "Phuckers" (with an F of course). Phucking great TA forum. Phucking great indeed. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
It's not THEIR efforts I'm tearing down, it's OURS, and you ing goddamn know it. It's cute when you attempt to obfuscate my points like that, but it's tiresome and annoying as too.
OUR efforts are not the same as theirs, unless you think OUR efforts was a means to establish an Islamic fundamentalist regime that holds women's rights in a piss bucket and uses the Law of Islam as a guiding principle.
Or are you trying to tell me that it was ALWAYS Bush's plan to go there looking for WMD, not find them whatsoingever, not find any connections to Al Qaeda and the ******s that attacked us, divert our attention away from the ******s that attacked us by invading another country, and set up an Islamic fundamentalist regime similar to that of Iran - all in his cunning scheming mind, right?
And that cause is what we had in mind all along, right? |
do you really want me to backtrack all of your anti-iraq garbage to show you that you have absolutely no respect for the sacrifices made there? i have not the time nor patience to point out to you what you already propagate to the world.
answer this question is it not a Democracy. and if it is, is that "pissbucket better than the alternative. i'll warn you that people have voluntarily put their existence on the line for that "pissbucket". try to obfuscate that you ing propagandist hack.
| quote: | [Good for you. Be proud of the cause all you like, but that doesn't justify Bush's complete idiocy, nor does it justify yours either. I'm glad you're so proud of this so-called "democracy" that we are setting up that resembles nothing but an Islamic fundamentalist government. I'm glad you love taking a woman's rights and taking a giant on them. I'm glad you love going to war on false pretenses and completely diverting our attention away from the ******s that attacked us (or at the very least, outsourcing that war to ing warlords in another country - good one).
It truly says much about your character, Q. But that's something we've known all along..... |
well, your opinion has been made. it's in the history books. it's on the wrong side of history, but you've made it clear. now STFU, and let the people that put it all on the line finish writing history. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
What's your 1ng point exactly you ignorant 1ng fascist prick? :mad: |
what?
i will reach through that coax cable and chokeslam you. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
what?
i will reach through that coax cable and chokeslam you. |
:stongue: I'd love to see you try something like that. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
do you really want me to backtrack all of your anti-iraq garbage to show you that you have absolutely no respect for the sacrifices made there? i have not the time nor patience to point out to you what you already propagate to the world. |
Blow me douche. Your asinine responses to me are the same old that you continue to dump GOP talking points over and over. Now let's be clear on one point - in no way am I disrespecting the men and women who are fighting that war by saying I ing can't stand idiots like you who kowtow like a dutiful Bush apologist and believe our "cause" over there is a ed up one from the very instance that we had no WMD found whatsoever. Any "sacrifices" made by stupid dumb civilians who ING WENT AWOL THEMSELVES AND HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED BEING MAN ENOUGH TO FIGHT A WAR ON THEIR OWN are not considered "sacrifices" by me or any logical thinking individual on the ing planet, nor will they ever be. You wanna continue standing up for a piece of chicken simply because you are committed to call him your "Commander in Chief", be my guest. Don't expect others to do the same.
Furthermore, their so-called "sacrifices" are wholly separate from those who live and die for fighting in our military. However, if those who fight for our country (and yes, that includes you) continue to believe and fall in lockstep to your ing idiot Commander-In-Chief and somehow believe that it was some grand scheme to put a ing fundamentalist Islamic government in there that if this Constitution falls into place will most likely put that country into a full scale civil war with our men and women ing caught in the middle, and that it's all right to sit in a ing ridiculous mess like that,
then I have no sympathy for their complete and utter stupidity, just as I have no sympathy for yours.
| quote: | | answer this question is it not a Democracy. and if it is, is that "pissbucket better than the alternative. i'll warn you that people have voluntarily put their existence on the line for that "pissbucket". try to obfuscate that you ing propagandist hack. |
Honestly I'm not sure what your question is. If you're saying it's a Democracy, then tell me how their Constitution and law put into place resembles anything remote to our understanding of a Democracy. Be sure to include how a religious law being the pinnacle of their government is equivalent to a democracy in your answer.
As for being a "ing propagandist hack", I'll let the crowd here decide over the years of our posting on who's ing hacked worse. Of course my smells too, but if memory serves I do tend to refute the vast majority of your points made, and not the reverse.
| quote: | | well, your opinion has been made. it's in the history books. it's on the wrong side of history, but you've made it clear. |
I'm sure glad it's because you said so. Funny how you continue to stand by your idiot leader to the ing grave. Ever stop to look around and see the rest of the public growing more and more disturbed with you and your idiot leader's Iraq "vision"?
Ever wonder why Bush's poll numbers are dwindling down to nothingness, especially on Iraq?
But I'm more than willing to wait history out on this one champ if you are. I've been on this board for some time, and I have no intention of leaving anytime soon. So if you're happy to stick around for a few years and see just what a ing debacle Iraq is turning out to be, I'm game.
| quote: | | now STFU, and let the people that put it all on the line finish writing history. |
Just because people put it out "all on the line" doesn't make a history a correct and righteous one. Many idiots have given their lives to a particular cause only for it to be a very incorrect one.
But you're more than happy to continue down that line if you wish. I'm actually sad for you, as I am sad for a handful of friends I have who are over there fighting. They do not want to be there by any means, especially one who just had a baby with his wife (who happens to be a very close friend of the Mrs.), and I hope they make it back. They do not believe in any "cause" there anymore, because the original cause was disarmament. Their only real cause now to make it out alive, and they have no choice but to believe that doing their duty will somehow keep them alive (which in likelihood they do have a better chance of living by following orders).
That, however, does not make their orders "correct" anymore than it makes Rumsfelds orders to have 1/2 the number of troops really needed there to fight and maintain stability.
My argument on Iraq has always been one in which we shouldn't have ing been there in the first place. We were fighting a war against the real enemy, and we got diverted away from that. But since we got diverted away and were told that Saddam was so gosh darn eeeeevil and had WMD pointed at our heads, I initially supported our cause because I felt we should eliminate this threat.
but do you really need a history lesson after that point? What happened next? And then what? And on and on. Rationales changed constantly, and the necessity to keep stability was wholly dependent upon not just our actions there, but the number of troops or shall I say, the lackthere of that we had there. Furthermore, we ed around for months, even years to fully and adequately armour our troops and their vehicles.
So don't ing even try to paint me as someone who pisses on the sacrifices. It's your ing douchebag leader and your dumbass Administration who refuses to ing fight this war right in the first place, nevermind the ing false pretenses as to why we ing got there in the first place, and nevermind the fact that the stupid mother****** who attacked us in the first place is still running around quite free.
Or have you actually seen bin Laden lately? I know you're in the military - do you ing know something that the rest of the world doesn't about this guy? Or do you even ing remember him?
So now we're there in a ing half-ass way, watching our men and women slowly get picked off one by one in a cause of setting up a ing fundamentalist Islamic government that's on the brink of civil war.
That is not ing propaganda, that's a ing fact - an undeniable one at that.
So if you wanna talk about the situation there, then let's do so. But do not ing expect me to back down on my sentiments on our idiot neocon bull Iraq foreign policy, or our idiot ing leader who got us there in the first place, or even the idiot minions who know nothing but "yes sir" to that ing idiot leader and refuse to pull their heads out of their asses like the rest of the public is beginning to do.
I will not be helping you there. But history will definitely have something to say about you, as does the rest of the world right now at present. |
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| Q5echo |
listen, you are stuck on this liberal cliche' that all my responses are "GOP talking points". while you fail to see the validity of my responses, blinded by hate and animosity, there is a real effort by Iraqi civs. Iraqi military, American civs., American military that ovewhelms YOUR interpretation of whats right and whats wrong, "talking points" or not.
you and Sheehan have shown time and time again that there is no coherency between your hatred of Bush and your want for a better Iraq. if anything the hatred of one defaces the efforts of the other. i'm not asking you or anybody to lick Bush's nuts (tell me when i have ever done that here or in this forum) just remember that when i talk about the sacrifices been made, i mean the sacrifices of all on the right side of this conflict military and civilian. it's been my position this entire time i've written here. it hasn't wavered. you call it "kowtowing to my CIC". i call it respectful to the process.
deflate your ego for a moment and think what good is naysaying to what is happening over there. consider what was-then consider all who have died, and who will die, creating what will be. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Honestly I'm not sure what your question is. If you're saying it's a Democracy, then tell me how their Constitution and law put into place resembles anything remote to our understanding of a Democracy. Be sure to include how a religious law being the pinnacle of their government is equivalent to a democracy in your answer. |
gee i don't know? they have a truly enfranchised electorate that has proven itself twice. i mean i'm not a prophet or nuthin but the dozens of Iraqi polls are nothing but optimistic about a legitamate represenative government come 06'. does it resemble anything we know about a Democracy? yes, it resembles. we don't resemble Shiri'a law.
like i said, we're not talking about Noweigians here are we? at least the decent is there to oppose it and it will be represented. |
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| LiquidX |
| Q5echo.. you are the perfect example of the only view portrait to you, and thats the one portrait in America. Go out and open up and see things from the other perspectives.. there are plenty, it might elight your mind a bit. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
listen, you are stuck on this liberal cliche' that all my responses are "GOP talking points". |
They are. You repeat pretty much verbatum on what I hear on both Hannity, Limbaugh, Tony Snow, and the articles I catch on Newsmax and National Review. Call it whatever you want, but you are arguing the same points as they trickle them down.
| quote: | | while you fail to see the validity of my responses, blinded by hate and animosity, |
The only "hate" and "animosity" I really have is driven by complete and utter frustration by repetition passed down by this Administration. I can't help but say that I've ing had it at this point. I've ing had it with this ing idiot Administration change rationales and attempt to wiggle their way out of their ing mess that they created, all the while attempt to paint anyone who disagrees with them as unpatriotic, unAmerican, and hateful "liberals". It's ing old and irrelevant, and the American people have finally awakened to it.
| quote: | | there is a real effort by Iraqi civs. Iraqi military, American civs., American military that ovewhelms YOUR interpretation of whats right and whats wrong, "talking points" or not. |
In no way am I belittling the efforts of the individuals who are trying to build Iraq back up after we ing destroyed it to a pulp.
I am, however, belittling the unfortunate end-result of the policies that have created this mess in the first place, as well as our hypocritical bull policy of supposedly taking down an "evil-doer" while we do nothing but close our eyes or pat handfuls of "evil-doers" elsewhere in the world because it seemingly suits are current business interests in some way, shape or form.
| quote: | | you and Sheehan have shown time and time again that there is no coherency between your hatred of Bush and your want for a better Iraq. |
Sheehan. I hold nothing to her, nor do I follow what she says or does in any way. Address me from now on, please. Don't be a chicken and try to paint me in with someone else that I hold no loyalty to in any way. She and her idiot minions could fall off a ing cliff for all I care. Her five minutes were up a month ago.
| quote: | | if anything the hatred of one defaces the efforts of the other. i'm not asking you or anybody to lick Bush's nuts (tell me when i have ever done that here or in this forum) just remember that when i talk about the sacrifices been made, i mean the sacrifices of all on the right side of this conflict military and civilian. it's been my position this entire time i've written here. it hasn't wavered. you call it "kowtowing to my CIC". i call it respectful to the process. |
I have not once claimed you have waivered from your position.
I've just said you're just flat out ing wrong to have such a position without realizing the gratitude of the government and insurgent situation in Iraq when our men and women are caught in the middle.
| quote: | | deflate your ego for a moment and think what good is naysaying to what is happening over there. consider what was-then consider all who have died, and who will die, creating what will be. |
I consider it everying day. How about you? Where do you think my passion on this subject resides? Can you not tell by now?
I no longer care who I offend on this topic. The problem here lies in the fact that we are in a ed up mess there that was created by this Administration from day ing 1. You're in the military, right Q? Tell me then - was it responsible of this Administration to go to war so ing unbelievably ill-prepared with about 1/2 of the troops advised to secure the country in a post-invasion situation? When folks like Gen. Shinseki says that we are insufficient in the #s, and he gets blown off by your ing neocon leaders because they believe in a smaller, more technologically "savy" military, who do you think is probably more correct now?
Was it responsible of this Administration not to sufficiently armor and protect the troops and their vehicles? Was it responsible of this Administration to up to this day STILL not fully protect their troops?
Was it responsible for our military to beat and abuse prisoners at Abu Graib and elsewhere? Was it responsible for those orders to be there in the first place? Here's some more of the latest of confessions from the Army's 82nd Airborne division:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/24/p...agewanted=print
Was it ing responsible to stear away from the f$cker that attacked us and invade a country with a hapless dictator?
What's it take for you folks to wake up and smell what you are shoveling? It finally took the WaPost editorial board a little wake-up call after kissing Bush's ass on the Iraqi mess and Constitution to realize that things aren't quite that rosy after all:
| quote: | As Iraq moves toward a referendum on its new constitution just three weeks from now, many of its senior politicians readily concede that the charter is seriously flawed, and that its approval may worsen rather than alleviate the relentless violence. Leaders of neighboring Arab states and some Bush administration officials seem to share this view. Yet none of these officials or leaders has been willing or able to stop the political process from going forward.
. . . Faced with sinking domestic support, the Bush administration seems driven by an unwise zeal to produce visible results in Iraq -- such as a ratified constitution -- however problematic they may be. . . . Yet, judging from what even supportive Iraqis are saying, the risk is very great that the constitutional process will either tip Iraq decisively toward civil war or produce a state far from the goal of a tolerant democracy for which nearly 2,000 Americans have given their lives.
...The real problem is the absence of an agreement about Iraq's future between the majority Shiite and Kurd communities and the minority Sunnis, who ruled the country from the time of its establishment until the fall of Saddam Hussein. That disconnect is expressed in the overwhelming rejection by Sunni leaders of the constitutional draft.
. . . Though the details of implementation were postponed, the current draft would allow the Shiites, who already control the national government, to create their own ministate in southern Iraq, which very likely would be ruled by clerics and Islamic law and would closely ally itself with neighboring Iran. It would have its own armed forces and control Iraq's biggest oil fields. The Kurds would have their own ministate in northern Iraq and would probably take over the city of Kirkuk and its oil production. This radical form of "federalism" not only would be ruinous to the Sunni community, as well as the mixed population of Baghdad: It would be threatening and even destabilizing for all of Iraq's neighbors except Iran. It would produce an Iraq that the United States would have no interest in defending.
The only way for Iraq to avoid catastrophe is a political accord among Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis, one that can be based only on the preservation of Iraq as a federal but unified state in which resources and political power are fairly shared and human rights protected. The Bush administration, and Iraqi leaders themselves, ought to be focused on striking that national compromise rather than on prematurely enshrining pieces of paper or adhering to deadlines that were set arbitrarily 18 months ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2401142_pf.html |
This is what BUSH is creating, not the men and women who are dying over there. They are merely following orders, so cease from your ing attempts to paint my argument as if I'm somehow blaming them in any way. This ing mess is on Bush's hands, it's on his ing Adminstration as well as his followers, including yourself. You want to be proud of such a situation, well I certainly can't stop you.
But it's ing disgusting, and that's painfully evident.
| quote: | gee i don't know? they have a truly enfranchised electorate that has proven itself twice. i mean i'm not a prophet or nuthin but the dozens of Iraqi polls are nothing but optimistic about a legitamate represenative government come 06'. does it resemble anything we know about a Democracy? yes, it resembles. we don't resemble Shiri'a law.
like i said, we're not talking about Noweigians here are we? at least the decent is there to oppose it and it will be represented. |
We don't have to be talking about white caucasians - nor do we have to lower our standards to such levels in order to dismiss basic rights given to women and dissenters to Shiite law. It's "proven" itself twice only because the majority of voters have been, oh god what a ing surprise - SHIITES! How 'bout that? What a shocker, ain't it? And even more shocking, the group that was once in control - the minority Sunnis, have boycotted the last election fiasco because, well, who the would blame them? They wouldn't get for rights and policies within the Shiite/Kurd run government in the first place.
So that's what you call a "democracy"? Read the WaPost again and realize just how much things have changed. I too believed that we should be staying to supposedly "finish what we started" for a time - or to be more blunt, rebuild what we ing destroyed. But the question you must ask yourself now is - what is it we are finishing? What is it we are now fighting for? We are no longer fighting for the freedom of the people, no longer fighting for WMD disarmament, no longer fighting for Al Qaeda ties. We are now fighting for an Islamic fundamentalist government on the brink of a civil war, and our men and women are smack ing dab in the middle of the mess.
This is NOT what we should be funding our foreign affairs over. This is NOT what our brave women and men should be giving our lives for. This is NOT what the total American "sacrifice" should be defined as anymore. This has NOTHING to do with our original intent in supposedly fighting the war on terror, nor does it have anything to do with supposedly protecting our country.
Again I ask, you do remember bin Laden, right? You better ing remember him, because we haven't done about him since. And another wonderful attribute to our ing debacle in Iraq - we've successfully made it a ing haven for terrorists:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2005Jan13.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/22/news/intel.php
http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashburea..._terror_iraq_wa
The sooner you come to grips with the fact that this isn't the lovely optimistic rosy picture that you're trying to depict, the quicker you'll come back down to the reality-based community. And I might even welcome you when you arrive..... |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
She must be upset that the hurricanes have been getting all the press lately...:rolleyes: |
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