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Numark with the Future of DJing Again? (pg. 3)
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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
There is nothing really "analogue" about vinyl - this is not like the "tubes vs. solid state" discussion which actually has some merit. Yes, the audio is recorded continuously as opposed to being sampled, but at a 44 kHz sampling rate, no aliasing occurs below 22 kHz, which is 1 kHz higher than even the most sensitive human ears. |
Not to mention that its an "analogue" recording of a digital recording anyway. |
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| Jayx1 |
ive seen one thing myself for sure...
EVERY time a person on here complains about sound quality, especially varying sound quality throughout the night. Usually the dj in question has been using MP3s.
They may not be able to tell MP3 to vinyl specifically, but they can tell the sound is different.
I still stand by my original statement. If others disagree then that is their perogative, but some of the best sound engineers have told me what i have just explained. And i have seen it myself, time and time again. |
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| Tygon |
I may not know the technical ins and outs of how the sound is recreated in a club environment... but what I do know is that on a system like Viva's, the bass from cd/mp3 sounded more *thudish* rather than a "BOOM". Yes, I understand you can't do a true comparison without the exact same track on both mp3 and vinyl.
Hmmm might be a good sound check idea for tonight eh Jay? I'll bring the same track on mp3 and vinyl...
What I do understand is that the extremely low, nearly inaudible frequencies are eliminated through compression. You'd never hear this in your car or on a mediocre system... but on a major club sysmtem, you would certainly notice the difference with speakers/woofers that are able to hit those very low frequencies... Would make sense, as this is where that "warmth" would be.
I don't claim to be an audiophile... just an observation... |
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| Jayx1 |
| people are hung up on "digital is better" which may be true in many cases, but certainly not for dance music on a loud system at a nightclub. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
people are hung up on "digital is better" which may be true in many cases, but certainly not for dance music on a loud system at a nightclub. |
Every technology has its uses, its flaws and strengths.
When people say 'digital is better' they are throwing all aspects out the window and only considering what they feel to be most important.
Nothing beats analog, but they both have their time and place. The main reason digital was even invented was for longevity over time distance and wear. That is where its stregnths lay.
Since djs travel and play so much, i truly do believe cds are the best medium. Im sure this new type of deck will even lead to the elimination of the cd, because then DJs will just need to carry flash drives with all their tunes on them. Easy as pie.
Companies like numark and Pioneer will just need to keep in mind the user interface, as to make the experience better for the djs. So things like this artificial pad on top, which represents a tradition vinyl, will stick around for a long time.
The future is here! |
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| Tygon |
Although, keep in mind, in most cases, there is NO interaction with the DJ. In 90% of bars and clubs, people don't care who the DJ is, what music they play, or how they play it.. as long as they get some ass and grind with some hoochies. Trance (and EDM in general) is the only place where people actually care who, what and how tunes are played.
I think equipment like this isn't necessarily intended for DJs in our genre... but rather top40, hip hop, and wedding DJs... or other such crap where sound QUALITY doesn't matter ANYWAYS and most of them don't know what 128kbpm means :p |
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| Jayx1 |
exactly... on large professional systems such as the ones found in international class clubs, analog is the best way to go.
IMO djs who compact everything into a flash drive are sacrificing sound for convenience (to them).
And at the rates many of them charge they should be buying a seat for their record crates if necissary.
This is why i dont support laptop djing or mp3 djing. Even worse is the newest in the spectrum. The point and click ableton live type stuff.
If anything is going to kill the scene its ableton live. Great for the studio, but dont dj with it. Talk about killing an artform! |
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| MLB |
pretty sure jay knows what hes talking about, he works in a club envoirment, so he knows the ins and outs, i personally dont understand the whole science explanation, i have to hear or see it myself.
As far as i know most Djs who play at clubs many times i have seen them using cds, could be mp3s. Heck i couldnt hear any diffrence. |
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| kaniz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
exactly... on large professional systems such as the ones found in international class clubs, analog is the best way to go.
IMO djs who compact everything into a flash drive are sacrificing sound for convenience (to them).
And at the rates many of them charge they should be buying a seat for their record crates if necissary.
This is why i dont support laptop djing or mp3 djing. Even worse is the newest in the spectrum. The point and click ableton live type stuff.
If anything is going to kill the scene its ableton live. Great for the studio, but dont dj with it. Talk about killing an artform! |
What about evolution and arranging music in new, different and interesting ways? As versatile and 'warm' analog sounds, it is also very limiting in many ways.
Yeah, the DJs who use things like Abelton to auto-beatmatch intro's/out-tros, twiddle knobs and bounce their heads are hacks. But what about people like Richie Hawtin who use abelton as a tool to arrnage songs in new and interesting ways which could not be done otherwuse using straight up Vinyl?
People need to get over this holier-than-thou vinyl is the only way to mix maintaility if you expect EDM to change, evole and keep up with the times, you sound like old-school programmers who refuse to leave VI and claim IDE's are a waste : get with the times.
Now, I'm not saying Vinyl is , I love the sound of it, but there is also loads of other things that can be done with other mediums.
The task of a DJ should be to destroy the dancefloor, and compose sets in new and interesting ways to give people a new apprication for music that they wouldnt otherwise have, to play songs in new context and to create a soundscape that is the backdrop of an amazing night. The medium shouldnt be the only thing that dictates that.
Yeah, MP3's sound like crap on good systems, but what about lossless formats like WAV? I'm not sure of the technical limitations of them - but can carry the same ammount of sound as an analog? Do they carry the same encoding restrictions as CD? Or, if you were to go straight from your production software to a WAV, is it going to sound 100% exactly the same as it would if it got pressed to Vinyl?
Laptops and Digital isnt going to kil DJing, its going to evole it and allow people to play music in new ways that wernt possible before. |
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| Jayx1 |
laptops take the artform away. Ever watch someone mix on ableton? they dont even use headphones. Its point and click. the computer does the rest.
Ableton and digital formats are great in the studio (if mastered properly) to make redits and produce, but leave it in the studio.
im not against digital uses even in clubs. But if you show up with a cd book and do nothing but play the cds as records, or worse use a point and click laptop system, please stay home.
Final scratch is good in theory but there are still a lot of bugs in it. The sound quality is questionable. Serato is a much better system but it too has its sound limitations. Plus it works with mp3s so the sound quality is lacking from that as well.
There is no question, analog sounds better at a club. So if you show up using mp3s u better be prepared to do things with them that you could never do with a record. |
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| Playa24_7 |
| ^^^ get to viva bioch~!!!!!! hehe |
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