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Numark with the Future of DJing Again? (pg. 4)
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
laptops take the artform away. Ever watch someone mix on ableton? they dont even use headphones. Its point and click. the computer does the rest.
Ableton and digital formats are great in the studio (if mastered properly) to make redits and produce, but leave it in the studio.
im not against digital uses even in clubs. But if you show up with a cd book and do nothing but play the cds as records, or worse use a point and click laptop system, please stay home.
Final scratch is good in theory but there are still a lot of bugs in it. The sound quality is questionable. Serato is a much better system but it too has its sound limitations. Plus it works with mp3s so the sound quality is lacking from that as well.
There is no question, analog sounds better at a club. So if you show up using mp3s u better be prepared to do things with them that you could never do with a record. |
When people first started using the electric guitar, they were called Judas. However, music wouldnt be the same without today.
Fifty years from now if DJs are still using vinyl, I would be very surprised. It comes with evolution, some can handle and move on and make the most of it, some stay rigid and decide not to budge. It's their loss.
Good quality wav's are almost unnoticable in quality on most systems and most couldnt tell the difference anyways. The software era allows much more creativity. My friends can do some killer stuff with it from i've seen that you wouldnt be able to do with vinyl.
And imo its not about the dj's skills anyways. THE GOOD DJs HAVE EXCELLENT TRACK SELECTION, GOOD FLOW AND HARMONIOUS MIXES. The other stuff like beat matching is just a given like x=2. No one (atleast they shouldnt) should come to an event to hear how well a DJ can beatmatch. They should come to hear some good choons put together in a good order that flows well and makes musical sense. |
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| Jayx1 |
alot of amazing skillz can be done with turntables. Unfortunately the pioneer mixers' effect buttons have simulated the effects of turntables so now any monkey can emulate the sounds with the push of a button.
I dont compare this to electric guitar.
laptop djing would be more like programming the guitar to play a song, and then stepping back and watching it play while smiling at the crowd.
As far as Mp3s. Yes no doubt there are a few things that can be done with digital technology thanks to the pioneer CDJs and other sampling technology. But most djs i see with cds only use them as a space convenience and proceed to play them like records. This is what i take issue with.
if u are going to sacrifice sound quality at least justify it by doing tricks that you cant do with vinyl. |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
alot of amazing skillz can be done with turntables. Unfortunately the pioneer mixers' effect buttons have simulated the effects of turntables so now any monkey can emulate the sounds with the push of a button.
I dont compare this to electric guitar.
laptop djing would be more like programming the guitar to play a song, and then stepping back and watching it play while smiling at the crowd.
As far as Mp3s. Yes no doubt there are a few things that can be done with digital technology thanks to the pioneer CDJs and other sampling technology. But most djs i see with cds only use them as a space convenience and proceed to play them like records. This is what i take issue with.
if u are going to sacrifice sound quality at least justify it by doing tricks that you cant do with vinyl. |
My point is who cares about the tricks or if the DJ shoots lightening out of the laptop...i dont care about beatmatching..its a given...I just want to hear good choons like most people which has a musical flow..that is the true essence of a good DJ, no? |
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| [NFC]Wave |
HAY GUYS
Numark HDX turntable got hard drive
Heads up, DJs — Numark will be rolling this sweet beast out before the end of the year. The Numark HDX is similar to its predecessor the CDX — both sport a vinyl “interface” for working with sounds that are actually in the digital domain, but the HDX adds a full on removable hard drive in addition to the CD player found on the CDX. The unit will ship with an 80GB hard drive that functions as a mass storage device, so transferring your music collection is as simple as hooking up the unit via USB 2.0 and dragging and dropping from any Mac or PC. The HDX supports playback of MP3, WAV, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC media and has an onboard Gracenote database for auto-tagging imported tracks. It’s also got a number of built-in modes for scratching and looping as well as a number of onboard beat-synched digital effects. It also ships with a PS2 QWERTY keyboard for even easier navigation through the display interface. Video clips of this in action via the Read link.
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
laptops take the artform away. Ever watch someone mix on ableton? they dont even use headphones. Its point and click. the computer does the rest.
Ableton and digital formats are great in the studio (if mastered properly) to make redits and produce, but leave it in the studio.
im not against digital uses even in clubs. But if you show up with a cd book and do nothing but play the cds as records, or worse use a point and click laptop system, please stay home.
Final scratch is good in theory but there are still a lot of bugs in it. The sound quality is questionable. Serato is a much better system but it too has its sound limitations. Plus it works with mp3s so the sound quality is lacking from that as well.
There is no question, analog sounds better at a club. So if you show up using mp3s u better be prepared to do things with them that you could never do with a record. |
Well Jay, I think you just proved conclusively that you shouldn't be working in (or anywhere near) the music scene.
Again, more moronic comments about MP3s. And again, more moronic comments about digital vs. analog. I produce and know several other producers, and most of us can barely (if it all) tell the difference between the original render of a track and a 256 kbps encoding on STUDIO MONITORS coming out of a near-zero-noise production system. If the original producers can't tell the difference, what the hell makes you think that you can?
And sure, if a DJ is using Ableton Live to JUST beatmatch then that's lame as hell, but the good Ableton DJs like James Zabiela do much, much more than that. What "bugs" are you referring to in Final Scratch, and who else other than you thinks that the sound quality is questionable?
I can't believe how ridiculously anti-technology you are, Jay - you're starting to sound exactly like the puritans you bash all the time. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sufee_b
My point is who cares about the tricks or if the DJ shoots lightening out of the laptop...i dont care about beatmatching..its a given...I just want to hear good choons like most people which has a musical flow..that is the true essence of a good DJ, no? |
but with programs like ableton, all the dj is doing is clicking on tunes. He doesnt even need headphones. The software does everything for him.
Ableton etc... amazing for studios but leave it at home please. If i wanted to play a premixed cd id listen to one in my car. |
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| DigiNut |
| Why do you keep saying "good for studios?" Ableton is lousy for studios. It's called Ableton LIVE for a reason - it's completely designed and optimized for live PAs, and has nowhere near the level of sophistication of sequencers like Cubase or Logic. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Well Jay, I think you just proved conclusively that you shouldn't be working in (or anywhere near) the music scene.
Again, more moronic comments about MP3s. And again, more moronic comments about digital vs. analog. I produce and know several other producers, and most of us can barely (if it all) tell the difference between the original render of a track and a 256 kbps encoding on STUDIO MONITORS coming out of a near-zero-noise production system. If the original producers can't tell the difference, what the hell makes you think that you can?
And sure, if a DJ is using Ableton Live to JUST beatmatch then that's lame as hell, but the good Ableton DJs like James Zabiela do much, much more than that. What "bugs" are you referring to in Final Scratch, and who else other than you thinks that the sound quality is questionable?
I can't believe how ridiculously anti-technology you are, Jay - you're starting to sound exactly like the puritans you bash all the time. |
well i guess there are just 2 different leagues of thinking because some sound engineers and producers i know concur with exactly what i have been saying.
Call it the left wing and right wing of music poltics i guess.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Why do you keep saying "good for studios?" Ableton is lousy for studios. It's called Ableton LIVE for a reason - it's completely designed and optimized for live PAs, and has nowhere near the level of sophistication of sequencers like Cubase or Logic. |
have u ever seen someone use it live?
I have... its all about point and click.
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and yes its called live but for doing re-edits im told its a very useful program. |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
have u ever seen someone use it live?
I have... its all about point and click.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
and yes its called live but for doing re-edits im told its a very useful program. |
I wouldnt say its lousy for studios but its not the greatest. The fact is Live is great for djing. And boring part? IMO I dont see anything exciting about a dj who looks through a crate and sets on his turnatble and spins around a record. Again, most come for the music, not a circus show. I once seen a DJ do a back flip on stage...i couldnt care less if he could fly b/c i didnt like his musci and mixes were not harmonious. |
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Well Jay, I think you just proved
And sure, if a DJ is using Ableton Live to JUST beatmatch then that's lame as hell, but the good Ableton DJs like James Zabiela do much, much more than that.
I can't believe how ridiculously anti-technology you are, Jay - you're starting to sound exactly like the puritans you bash all the time. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
have u ever seen someone use it live?
I have... its all about point and click.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
and yes its called live but for doing re-edits im told its a very useful program. |
Not only have I seen it - I've used it! First off, it doesn't have to be point and click, lots of PA artists use external MIDI controllers for it. Second, it wasn't made for DJing, it was made for re-editing on the fly (not in the studio, but LIVE, as in LIVE PA). Point-and-click is actually the most difficult way of using it - most people tie macros to MIDI controllers so they can make changes quickly.
Using Ableton Live properly is far more difficult than DJing. DJs only really have to beatmatch every 5 minutes or so - Live PA artists essentially have to pay close attention and make changes every 4-16 bars (30 seconds).
If you think it's so simple, why don't you give it a shot? Enough of this "I'm told" already - put up or shut up.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
well i guess there are just 2 different leagues of thinking because some sound engineers and producers i know concur with exactly what i have been saying.
Call it the left wing and right wing of music poltics i guess. |
Do you even have anything to go on here other than hearsay? There are not 2 different "leagues of thinking" on this - whoever is telling you this baloney is an idiot. Were these the same "sound engineers" that set up the system in the Kool Haus? :haha:
Just because someone works in that industry does not make them competent. And you... you do lights, so why the hell are you arguing about sound and DJing? |
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