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Calculating keys when beats are synced (pg. 2)
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| Ryan0751 |
Armin will be here in Boston on Friday night. I'll let you guys know if he key mixes or not. Maybe he'll just play a mix cd ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
why does her write the bpm and key...simple...to many tracks to remember each bpm for each...let alone for a remix of a track...so as a profesional you take small steps to help you...everyone in any other profession uses a reference to what they do...therefore i don't see why people are suprise the pros and big dj/producers will write their bpm...it's normal and logical :) |
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| Thois |
| quote: | Originally posted by ieko
Well comparing ASOT may do you no good, he uses ableton live for that these days so it'll all be pitch locked. |
oh yeah i forgot |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by alligator
why does her write the bpm and key...simple...to many tracks to remember each bpm for each...let alone for a remix of a track...so as a profesional you take small steps to help you...everyone in any other profession uses a reference to what they do...therefore i don't see why people are suprise the pros and big dj/producers will write their bpm...it's normal and logical :) |
was a rhetorical question ;) i know exactly why they do it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Armin will be here in Boston on Friday night. I'll let you guys know if he key mixes or not. |
no need dude; armin key mixes. |
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| Ryan0751 |
Every mix? I think not.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no need dude; armin key mixes. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
^^ why not? i do.
dont have any proof either way, but just listen to his mixes. they sound harmonic to me. |
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| Ryan0751 |
How is that possible? With pitch adjusting to beatmatch, track selection, etc. you would not be able to perfectly key match every mix. Most tracks in our genre are made to be easily mixable. How can you properly react to a crowd if "that next track would be perfect, but oh, it's not in the right key?".
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
^^ why not? i do.
dont have any proof either way, but just listen to his mixes. they sound harmonic to me. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
How is that possible? With pitch adjusting to beatmatch, track selection, etc. you would not be able to perfectly key match every mix. |
im not sure why you see there is a problem. as long as you know your tunes, know which ones are a lot slower/faster, theres really no prob key matching all your tunes. sure, you (read: me ;) ) make mistakes but you remember them for next time. someone like armin wouldnt have a problem at all ;) almost all my mixes are nicely in key, haha tho not always in time dammit :(
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Most tracks in our genre are made to be easily mixable. How can you properly react to a crowd if \"that next track would be perfect, but oh, it's not in the right key?\". |
id choose harmonic mixing over song choice 99% of the time, but thats just me. you can also mix things that arent in key coz sometimes they sound like they are.
again, read the sticky. all the info you need is in there. and said much better than i have ;) |
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| Zild |
Ryan, why do you have such a problem with harmonic mixing. If you don't like it then don't do it, but to say that others don't mix in key all the time because you don't is ridiculous.
"That next track would be perfect, but oh it's not in the right key"
Well that means that track IS NOT perfect especially if it isn't in the right key. See what I mean? maybe not... |
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| Ryan0751 |
I don't have a problem with it at all... and it's obviously a great thing when you get it right.
I'm just saying that it shouldn't dictate what you play and how you play it.
One of the earlier posters mentioned that they always mixed in key, but sometimes still had problems beatmatching!?! If I'm listening to a mix, I don't care how well they are harmonically mixed if they aren't beatmatched...
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Ryan, why do you have such a problem with harmonic mixing. If you don't like it then don't do it, but to say that others don't mix in key all the time because you don't is ridiculous.
"That next track would be perfect, but oh it's not in the right key"
Well that means that track IS NOT perfect especially if it isn't in the right key. See what I mean? maybe not... |
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| Nemesis44 |
It's not really a problem, I tend not to really use pitch lock.
I just know what works with what if you see what I mean.
It's just a question of knowing what the variance in pitch changes it too so if you have a C and pitch it up so it's approximately 4 to 6 percent faster than the other track then you have in effect put it out of key, so you might as well play it with another track that would correspond with the key you changed it to.
It just takes some getting used to, but once you have been doing it for a while you should be able to hear if something is in key or not without thinking about how much faster or slower it is.
With regards to the big names using pitch lock, the answer is more often than not no. Simple reasing being, they started doing this long before the function existed and thus didn't have the need to then.
I will sometimes use it, if it's a track I feel is two slow for what I usually play and will sound silly if I speed it up to much.
Cheers
Nem |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
One of the earlier posters mentioned that they always mixed in key, but sometimes still had problems beatmatching!?! If I'm listening to a mix, I don't care how well they are harmonically mixed if they aren't beatmatched... |
yeah, well duh! of course (that was me). but its not like its mutually exclusive or anything. mixing in key doesnt make my beatmatching any worse or anything; just for me, keying my tunes was a skill i picked up loads faster than beatmatching :D
i DL your mix. was very impressed. mostly coz i really liked it yet it wasnt epic trance, so was a nice change for me. however, i do think some of the mixes were good coz of really tight EQ work, rather than you being really good at mentally keymatching your tunes. i like to overlap basslines, and harmonic mixing allows more freedom that way.
oh, and it was a bittuva headfvck listening to some of those break-beat into breakbeat transitions for this 4/4 brain lemme tell you :crazy:
EDIT: ryan, could you post a TL for me? :) im a bit curious to know what i was listening to... |
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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
It's not really a problem, I tend not to really use pitch lock.
I just know what works with what if you see what I mean.
It's just a question of knowing what the variance in pitch changes it too so if you have a C and pitch it up so it's approximately 4 to 6 percent faster than the other track then you have in effect put it out of key, so you might as well play it with another track that would correspond with the key you changed it to.
It just takes some getting used to, but once you have been doing it for a while you should be able to hear if something is in key or not without thinking about how much faster or slower it is.
With regards to the big names using pitch lock, the answer is more often than not no. Simple reasing being, they started doing this long before the function existed and thus didn't have the need to then.
I will sometimes use it, if it's a track I feel is two slow for what I usually play and will sound silly if I speed it up to much.
Cheers
Nem |
exactly
and when your skills are at the point where you're playing to large crowds on a regular basis, you'll have developed an ear for what is going to sound good next and what isn't
if anything, i'm sure most of the bigger names don't bother with key lock, there's no need to since 1) like nem said, the technology is so new that most were playing long before it was invented and 2) you'll just know what sounds good and what doesn't... a little shoddy of an excuse, but those who are at that level know what i'm talking about |
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