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The Catholic Church: "The parts of the bible we don't like, aren't true" (pg. 3)
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Cool, thanks for responding :). I understand Catholisim (atleast the aspects I specifacally asked you about) and your position on stuff alot better now (although I still don't quite understand the harmony/consistancy between salvation and accountibility :D). I also tend to agree with you on "if you're a good person, you'll probably go to heaven regardless of your religious orientation/or lack of." I mean, both Christianity and Islam mention one attribute of God as being all fair and forgiving and stuff, and if someone didn't have exposure to "the right path" or a fair exposure/understranding of it, can they really be held accountable for not believing "the right religion." You're going to find good people in every religious/secular group. Ofcourse, it not my place or anyone elses' to say who goes to heaven and who doesn't (only God makes that decision). Anyways, it's late, enough of my rant. :p |
No, I totally agree. If I'm going to worship a "God" (or at least look up to him), he better be pretty damn special. Not to get sappy, but that means he is an all-loving creature. If he isn't, and shows hate, or negative emotion towards his "creations" then he's not something I'm going to put my faith in, and betrays my very definition of "God." That being said, I can't see an all-loving God sending people to spend an eternity of pain and suffering in "hell." That wouldn't be very loving, would it? I go along the notion that if you don't live a good life, then you just cease to exist, no heaven, no hell, but no more consciousness on any level. If God really is a vindictive being, who condems people to an eternity of suffering, then that's not the being I'm going to make my role model.
Hope that makes sense. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
So Christianity is basically conforming to modern culture, like it did to pagan culture in the past. Wow, what a surprise. Marketing at the cost of integrity = 0 integrity at some point in time. You guys are aware that the trinity became part of Christianity around 300 AD right? |
Should read as:
So Catholicism is basically conforming to modern culture, like it did to pagan culture in the past. Wow, what a surprise. Marketing at the cost of integrity = 0 integrity at some point in time. You guys are aware that the trinity became part of Catholicism around 300 AD right?
Don't confuse Catholicism as Christianity.
That's like saying Sunnism speaks for all Islam.
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I would be okay with someone interpreting the bible unliterally, but then ffs don't interpret some parts literally!!! |
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:1
Are we supposed to be looking for literally a seven headed monster coming out of the sea? No of course not. Why? Here's why:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:1
See the word signified? As in SIGNified. As in sign.
Another example:
John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luke 3:16
Does this mean that Jesus comes carrying a can of petrol and a match. Of course not.
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
If God really is a vindictive being, who condems people to an eternity of suffering, then that's not the being I'm going to make my role model. |
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:34
For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:11 |
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| *InVeRs3* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
The church and its followers are akin to goats and goat-herders: neither is particularly bright. |
:rolleyes:
I know a lot of bright Christians out there. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:34
For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:11 |
A) I don't know how many ways those could be interpreted based on the context you are trying to find.
B) I don't know how convoluted the translations of each of those lines could have become over time.
C) That is not the God I see in the New Testament, and as far as I'm concerned the Old Testament is a relic of the past, filled with ideas to scare and persuade through fear rather than through inspiration.
D) Even if for some reason that was the true God, a being who had no trouble being vindictive and even hateful towards his "creations," then I denounce God as a god, and merely put him into the realm of really ty omnitoptent being. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
:rolleyes:
I know a lot of bright Christians out there. |
When you bury your head so deep in the ground, it's no wonder you can't gauge brightness. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
When you bury your head so deep in the ground, it's no wonder you can't gauge brightness. |
Yes, becuase your obvious prejudice towards anyone who even hints an influence of religion in their life makes you look like a genius. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
A) I don't know how many ways those could be interpreted based on the context you are trying to find.
B) I don't know how convoluted the translations of each of those lines could have become over time.
C) That is not the God I see in the New Testament, and as far as I'm concerned the Old Testament is a relic of the past, filled with ideas to scare and persuade through fear rather than through inspiration.
D) Even if for some reason that was the true God, a being who had no trouble being vindictive and even hateful towards his "creations," then I denounce God as a god, and merely put him into the realm of really ty omnitoptent being. |
A, B, C:
Looking for this?
D:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:21,25,28
You want a watered down happy version of what is to come for you then it's not going to be found in a Bible.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 7:13-14 |
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| NeoPhono |
Okay, you gotta understand...I've already said that I don't take the bible literally and that I see it as conveying an overall message, not a line by line anthology of the direct "word of God."
So...bible verses really aren't going to phase me much. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Yes, becuase your obvious prejudice towards anyone who even hints an influence of religion in their life makes you look like a genius. |
Now, now, that isn't right at all. I've given every single religious person the same fair and equal chance to prove they aren't a blithering idiot that I give all men and women. Merely because they've all failed doesn't make me prejudicial. |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
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In any case, the great thing about Catholicism is the doctrine of repentence: do whatever you want and so long as you confess your sins to a priest and feel "sorry" for what you did, you'll still be alright with Jesus.
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Ah, repentence. It's one of the things I dislike most about Catholicism. Unfair.
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| NeoPhono |
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Evolution in the bible, says Vatican
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By Martin Penner
November 07, 2005
THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.
Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible" if the Bible were read correctly.
His statement was a clear attack on creationist campaigners in the US, who see evolution and the Genesis account as mutually exclusive.
"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".
This idea was part of theology, Cardinal Poupard emphasised, while the precise details of how creation and the development of the species came about belonged to a different realm - science. Cardinal Poupard said that it was important for Catholic believers to know how science saw things so as to "understand things better".
His statements were interpreted in Italy as a rejection of the "intelligent design" view, which says the universe is so complex that some higher being must have designed every detail.
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Take this as you will...
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,1011...1-13762,00.html |
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| squirrelly |
Haven't I been screaming that since day one of posting in this forum? I actually believe my first flame war in the PDD was about religion. Now that they admitted part of the truth... perhaps they'll admit the rest (that Catholicism is a sham and Jesus wasn't really the son of God).
Remember kids - "A war over Religion is like a war over an imaginary friend. You're arguing about whose imaginary friend is better." |
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