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The Catholic Church: "The parts of the bible we don't like, aren't true" (pg. 4)
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Now that they admitted part of the truth... |
Now, I'm not Catholic or even Christian, but evolution is not a fact, it's a theory (a very plausible one with alot of supporting evidence). So calling it "the truth" isn't exactly very accurate.
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Remember kids - "A war over Religion is like a war over an imaginary friend. You're arguing about whose imaginary friend is better." |
You're entitled to your opinion and all, but that's a pretty condecending/offensive way of stating your opinion. Everyone on this forum is not an Athiest. |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Now, I'm not Catholic or even Christian, but evolution is not a fact, it's a theory (a very plausible one with alot of supporting evidence). So calling it "the truth" isn't exactly very accurate. |
Where did I talk about evolution? I was merely commenting on the admittance of the misinterpretation of the Bible. Something that was written by man but is somehow the word of "God", can hardly be percieved as accurate.
| quote: | | You're entitled to your opinion and all, but that's a pretty condecending/offensive way of stating your opinion. Everyone on this forum is not an Athiest. |
I'm not an Athiest, I'm Agnostic, which is very different. It was not meant to be offensive but merely a joke. If you're taking offense to that, I imagine that you've nearly cried after reading this thread which takes many more bashings at religion than my comment. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Where did I talk about evolution? I was merely commenting on the admittance of the misinterpretation of the Bible. Something that was written by man but is somehow the word of "God", can hardly be percieved as accurate. |
Well, that's what it seemed like since you posted right after NeoPhonos post. I guess it was a misunderstanding on my part.
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
I'm not an Athiest, I'm Agnostic, which is very different. It was not meant to be offensive but merely a joke. If you're taking offense to that, I imagine that you've nearly cried after reading this thread which takes many more bashings at religion than my comment. |
That's cool, I wasn't super offended or anything, just thought I should point that out. It's kind of hard to tell what the tone of a comment is on an internet forum. ;) |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Well, that's what it seemed like since you posted right after NeoPhonos post. I guess it was a misunderstanding on my part. |
Actually to be honest I didn't read anyones replies in this thread yet. I read the main post and commented. I'm a little too woozy on pain meds right now to actually read and comment, I'm saving that for tomorrow. ;)
| quote: | | That's cool, I wasn't super offended or anything, just thought I should point that out. It's kind of hard to tell what the tone of a comment is on an internet forum. ;) |
This is true, but try not to shuffle people into the category of Athiest, because more often than not they're just agnostic. We should have a poll of what religion all the regulars in PDD are... although I think we all know from each others posts what everyone is (basically). |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Actually to be honest I didn't read anyones replies in this thread yet. |
:stongue: Well, it does usually help in understaning the context of a post. :p ;) |
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| ogvh5150 |
It's the fruit at the garden all over again. You know where woman was told to choose from the tree of life or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Guess which one people keep choosing. |
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| Stanza |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
You may laugh at me, but when it comes to the Catholic church and modern social issues and science, I'd aruge that it tends to be more progressive than people think. |
Yeah right, give me a break. What about contraception??? To my knowledge the Catholic Church still forbids it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure the Bible does not mention anything about this or anything that resembles it.
I think taking the bible word for word is really farcical.
On the story of Creation in the Book of Genesis, it does not make sense in any way that the entire earth was created in 7 24 hr days and that the earth itself is only 65000 years old.
There is a branch of Christianity called Creationism that believe in all this stuff on the 7 Day Creation Story.
They believe that humans, life, the Earth, and the universe were created by a supreme being or deity's supernatural intervention
Basically, they are associated with beliefs conflicting with the theory of evolution by natural selection. This is all that their religion revolves around.
Imy opinon a total waste of time and space (no offence to any Creationists on this forum) as the whole Bible is about delivering the Gospel to people and NOT a book on scientific facts and the explantions on the origin of species.
Anyway back to the topic about Catholism.
| quote: | | Originally posted by NeoPhono I personally believe that there are many paths to salvation (if salvation exists) and the only real requirement is to be a good person. |
If that is the case then why beleive in God at all to reach salvation??
Do you mean being a good person = being holy person?
I think there's a difference between the two.. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| hence, the reason of the reformation. |
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| priveye03 |
So if eve wasn't created from adam's ribe, how did she come into being?
"And eve sprung forth from the ground and asked, "Who wants to party." |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stanza
Yeah right, give me a break. What about contraception??? To my knowledge the Catholic Church still forbids it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure the Bible does not mention anything about this or anything that resembles it.
I think taking the bible word for word is really farcical.
On the story of Creation in the Book of Genesis, it does not make sense in any way that the entire earth was created in 7 24 hr days and that the earth itself is only 65000 years old.
There is a branch of Christianity called Creationism that believe in all this stuff on the 7 Day Creation Story.
They believe that humans, life, the Earth, and the universe were created by a supreme being or deity's supernatural intervention
Basically, they are associated with beliefs conflicting with the theory of evolution by natural selection. This is all that their religion revolves around.
Imy opinon a total waste of time and space (no offence to any Creationists on this forum) as the whole Bible is about delivering the Gospel to people and NOT a book on scientific facts and the explantions on the origin of species.
Anyway back to the topic about Catholism.
If that is the case then why beleive in God at all to reach salvation??
Do you mean being a good person = being holy person?
I think there's a difference between the two.. |
have u even looked at the evidence supporting the bible? before come to a conclusion, look at the facts first;)
History - The bible has proven time and time again that it is a reliable and accurate source of ancient history supported by numorous archeological finds.
Manuscript - strange how ancient classics such as the oddesey, have only a few manuscripts that were written at the earliest 900 years after the story was written, gets more creditablity than the bible, which has thousands of manuscripts, with several dating back to only the second generation after the apostles wrote the books. its also been found that the manuscripts and the bible of today are over 99% as reliable as the original manuscripts, debunking the arguement that the bible has changed since it was written. and the % error is nothing more than translational errors such as words that cant be translated word for word and insignificant grammer. the dead sea scrolls had the book of isaiah written before christ was even born. when compared to modern translations of isaiah, it was over 99% accurate to the earliest manuscript.
Science - HUGE TOPIC. for every problem the evolutionist come up with, the creationist can answer with feasability. the only problem is, "god" is involved with many events on the creationist time scale. so automatically, whatever they say is totally discredited by the evolutionists. one example, what happened to the dinosaurs??
Evolution - astroid hit.
Creation - the great flood killed most of them, and the survivors could not live in a post flood world. u also take into account the pre-flood atmosphere and post-flood atmosphere.
for there to have been a flood, god had to have "opened the springs of the earth and break the "firmament". to evolutionist, automatically, this is rejected because of the involvment of a god. this can be debated over and over and over again, but im just stating what it's all about.
Ethics - if evolution were to be true, then why would racism be wrong, why would murder be wrong, why would war be wrong? if this world revolves around survival, shouldnt the weak be allowed to die off or be subjugated? to the theist, it would be wrong because "god" said it was wrong. and we can see its wrong because of the implications such actions bring such as death and sorrow. we can see how it is wrong.
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thats just stuff from the top of my head. i might be stirring up the hornets nest. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
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There's a flag on the play. Illegal motion: Regurgitating refuted arguments and failure to respond to prior threads. That'll be a 10 yard penalty and repeat 1st down. |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
There's a flag on the play. Illegal motion: Regurgitating refuted arguments and failure to respond to prior threads. That'll be a 10 yard penalty and repeat 1st down. |
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