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Americans are shocked: "Ungrateful" Iraqis want US troops out, poll finds
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| HardTranceProd |
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I am Shocked! Shocked that the Iraqis are not grateful for the "freedom" brought to them. When will these Americans ever learn.
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http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/wor...ll_iraqis_.html
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U.K. Poll: Iraqis Oppose Foreign Troops
Four out of five Iraqis oppose the presence of U.S. and British troops in their country, and two out of five believe insurgent attacks on those troops are justified, according to a "secret" poll conducted by the British Ministry of Defense.
The findings were reported in the Sunday Telegraph, a conservative newspaper that strongly supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
The nationwide survey "suggests that the coalition has lost the battle to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, which Tony Blair and George W. Bush believed was fundamental to creating a safe and secure country," the newspaper says.
The poll gives new ammunition to conservative critics of the war.
"It demonstrates for the first time the true strength of anti-Western feeling in Iraq after more than two and a half years of bloody occupation," according to the Telegraph. A spokesman for the British Conservative Party was quoted as saying, "The coalition is now part of the problem and not the solution."
The poll's findings as reported by the Sunday Telegraph:
• 45 percent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified - rising to 65 percent in the British-controlled Maysan province;
• 82 percent are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops;
• 67 percent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;
• 43 percent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability have worsened;
• 72 percent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.
• less than one percent of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security.
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| St_Andrew |
I don't want to imagine what a mess it would create if US pulled out now tho.
I really hope the US stays there till they are somewhat finnished.
I wounder if those ppl meant that they opposed the occupation or if they actually wanted the troops to pull out now? |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I don't want to imagine what a mess it would create if US pulled out now tho.
I really hope the US stays there till they are somewhat finnished.
I wounder if those ppl meant that they opposed the occupation or if they actually wanted the troops to pull out now? |
y'know i thought that way but i'm fed up with all this bull. Pull out, please! We'll see if it's still only 1 precent of the population that wants the troops there and all.
Also, the article seems bogus, just like most of media nowdays is. |
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| shaolin_Z |
Why is it so hard to understand? I'm guessing none of you (atleast most of you) have no idea how most Middle Easterners (the Iraqis in particular) view this whole war/military occupation/invasion and US foreighn policy in general (especially in the Middle East). No one there views the US goverment as benevolent benofactors or "liberators", infact quite the opposite. Just take a look at the history of Western colonialism (although it's not related to the US) in the region and post WW2 US foreighn policy. It no freakin' surprise that Western intervention isn't appriciated, as it's pretty much always been self serving at a great cost to the people of the region (and even to the people in the West, although they don't realize it).
Lepanto, do yourself a favour and travel to the Middle East, interview ppl etc to get first hand experience of their views (since you don't trust articles that don't conform to your world view). Perhaps then you'll be in a better position to form an opinion on the matter. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Why is it so hard to understand? I'm guessing none of you (atleast most of you) have no idea how most Middle Easterners (the Iraqis in particular) view this whole war/military occupation/invasion and US foreighn policy in general (especially in the Middle East). No one there views the US goverment as benevolent benofactors or "liberators", infact quite the opposite. Just take a look at the history of Western colonialism (although it's not related to the US) in the region and post WW2 US foreighn policy. It no freakin' surprise that Western intervention isn't appriciated, as it's pretty much always been self serving at a great cost to the people of the region (and even to the people in the West, although they don't realize it).
Lepanto, do yourself a favour and travel to the Middle East, interview ppl etc to get first hand experience of their views (since you don't trust articles that don't conform to your world view). Perhaps then you'll be in a better position to form an opinion on the matter. |
My view is that this war is a big misstake, US should never have gone in there, exactly for the reasons you stated plus more.
However, if you pull out now, that would only make it worse than it already is.
And I think that is what most ppl in here agrees with. Or do you actually think it would be a good thing to pull out now? |
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
However, if you pull out now, that would only make it worse than it already is.
And I think that is what most ppl in here agrees with. Or do you actually think it would be a good thing to pull out now? |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
However, if you pull out now, that would only make it worse than it already is. |
yes. like it or not we're in this thing til the end. if we pull out too early the country will implode into civil war and chaos which will become the world center for terrorism and you can be certain we'll eventually need to go back after all the 9/11 like attacks become common place |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Lepanto, do yourself a favour and travel to the Middle East, interview ppl etc to get first hand experience of their views (since you don't trust articles that don't conform to your world view). Perhaps then you'll be in a better position to form an opinion on the matter. |
been there. you have no proof of any of your statements. first off, life has improved in Iraq in many ways, computers and internet has become more accessible for one. Second of all, I have a dozen or more friends serving in Iraq which is how i don't see how those statistics make any sense.
Lastly, why do I even care? I live in the western world and that's the world I should care about. Oh, I forget, caring about where YOU'RE from is now a crime if that's in contridiction of what others want.
So as I said, let's pull out, I give them 24 hours before they're begging for a big mac.
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Lastly, why do I even care? |
:wtf:
You should care for a lot of reasons!
One of them being, it's your government who created the mess down there. A government you are indirctly responsible for since you live in a democracy! |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
:wtf:
You should care for a lot of reasons!
One of them being, it's your government who created the mess down there. A government you are indirctly responsible for since you live in a democracy! |
right. However I care more about what happens here, Canada, Europe, etc than what happens in the middle of the desert. Not an ignorant statement, life is just too short to run around trying to help people who don't want your help, claim they don't need it and are content to living under a dictator who slaughters at will. Reminds of commie Russia under Stalin alot. And I have alot of experiences from the Stalin era from my heritage.
Hence, Andrew, I said "They don't want our help? Fine, leave them there." |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
right. However I care more about what happens here, Canada, Europe, etc than what happens in the middle of the desert. Not an ignorant statement, life is just too short to run around trying to help people who don't want your help, claim they don't need it and are content to living under a dictator who slaughters at will. Reminds of commie Russia under Stalin alot. And I have alot of experiences from the Stalin era from my heritage.
Hence, Andrew, I said "They don't want our help? Fine, leave them there." |
Well I do agree with you, there are more important things to care about for us and there is no point in helping ppl who don't want your help, but that's how it all started when you rolled into Bagdad! So, now when you were the one who created the mess, it's also your obligation to clean it up. If you hadnt started the Iraq war, I couldn't care less if you didn't care more about Iraq than any other place, but now it's different. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Well I do agree with you, there are more important things to care about for us and there is no point in helping ppl who don't want your help, but that's how it all started when you rolled into Bagdad! So, now when you were the one who created the mess, it's also your obligation to clean it up. If you hadnt started the Iraq war, I couldn't care less if you didn't care more about Iraq than any other place, but now it's different. |
Dude, I understand what you are saying. But you cannot sit there and say it's ALL the US fault. First off, Hussein has been ignoring and dismissing UN investigators for a long time before the war, he didn't allow them to check many facilaties that they wanted to examine.
It's enough evidence to be alert, though perhaps not to attack. Second of all, anyeone who clearly thinks that Hussein didn't bother the western world one bit is ludacris and the "fact" that there were no WMDs isn't proof of him being "innocent" he could've moved them or sold them months in advance or done whatever with them. Maybe even destroy them to destroy the US' credibility.
The harmony of interest in this dictates that we really meant to do good in this country, that liberal bull about oil and all that jazz.
We're in a very tight spot now, but saying that we can't withdraw now cause it would cause too much of a power vacuum, isn't really correct either. If we remain to help a country that doesn't want anything to do with us we'll get jack accomplished. See what I mean? |
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