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n00b here...hiya
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| Lepanto |
hey guys, i joined this site not too long ago. around the time when i started to get into MIDI production and stuff. I'm taking a couple of classes at school, including MIDI music production, MIDI sequencing and advanced sampling.
My problem is that i cannot afford to buy all the equipment i have at my school's studio.
So i started to use programs like Reason and such.
Reason is a great piece of software. So far, it's the closest to real life experience that i've found in programs.
My only question really is structure. I'm trying to make house and prog house and stuff. How does the lay out of a typical song go and like what are key elements. I've read for house that it's kinda like grooves, bass lines and samples. but modern house seems alot more complex than that.
in a typical pop or rock song the structure would be
intro(could be chorus), verse 1, chors, verse 2, chorus (could be a little longer and maybe more catchy), brige/breakdown/ chorus and outro.
thanks for the help. |
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| DigiNut |
| Rule #1: There are no rules. |
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| Invertika |
Rule 2#: Observe rule 1
Rule #3: If this is your first night at producer club, you have to produce :p
:toothless |
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| Lepanto |
lol funny...
how about actual help :conf:? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
lol funny...
how about actual help :conf:? |
Actually, we're quite serious. If it sounds right, it is right. Don't follow the pathetic intro-build-breakdown-outro formula. |
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| tranceman78 |
| First off, I'd like to say that DigiNut is right, in that there are no real concrete solid rules. However, if you want to learn some basic structure get a pencil and paper, listen to some songs in the genres you're interested in and basically try to transcribe the song onto the paper. How many bars of kicks are played until the hats come in? How many bars until the bassline comes in? How many bars until the melody comes in? How many bars until the breakdown? etc...etc... That way at least you'll have some general direction as how to arrange your song, and then the creativity comes in and you'll know how to break the rules if you want to. |
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| Storyteller |
*cut out*
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(after having read the first post right: House however is a different story :D)
as tranceman78 said, I'd recommend you to listen to a few tracks you like and transcribe them to paper. Probably even try to create a similar sound if you really like it. This way you can work out your house track in the fullest detail. Try to take a fairly new track to maintain an up to date sound. I do oldschool prog so my tracks aren't worthy mentioning :P |
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| Lepanto |
| Alright, thanks alot, guys. I knew what you meant about the rules but telling someone who's just starting out that there is no structure is a bit silly. Thanks for the explanations though! |
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| djlogik |
| Basically what they said. Listen to some tracks, figure out how they're laid out and produce your own tracks. It'll take some time to get your tracks sounding like that, but im sure you have plenty of time to progress. |
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| Dj Pyster |
You can try also remixing ur favorite tracks, so u don't have to completly start from stratch, get the feel of chords and note progressions, bess and all that good stuff, when your used to playing nice chords then u can start on working on ur own stuff, that's what i did, sometimes I just play a trance CD, learn the notes, play them on my Midi controller and get some ideas, its also a good way to learn structure also.
=Pyster- |
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| Lepanto |
| how do i remix a track like get rid of some instruments, is that what u mean? |
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| Dj Pyster |
what i mean is keep some of the original elements of the song, but add your own touch to it, when i remix songs I use very few samples of the original song, just think of a song and think of how you want it to sound, that's remixing it.
When i remix, i usually keep the same notes for the bassline but i swtich up the note progression, throw in my own percussions, work my own synths, throw in your own sub-melody. |
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