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| simms327 |
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The
CIA has been holding and interrogating al Qaeda captives at a secret facility in Eastern Europe, part of a covert prison system established after the September 11, 2001, attacks, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.
The Soviet-era compound is part of a network that has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand and
Afghanistan, the newspaper reported, citing U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.
Thailand denied it was host to such a facility.
"There is no fact in the unfounded claims," government spokesman Surapong Suebwonglee said.
The newspaper said the existence and locations of the facilities were known only to a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country.
The CIA has not acknowledged the existence of a secret prison network, the Post said. A CIA spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
The prisons are referred to as "black sites" in classified U.S. documents and virtually nothing is known about who the detainees are, how they are interrogated or about decisions on how long they will be held, the report said.
About 30 major terrorism suspects have been held at black sites while more than 70 other detainees, considered less important, were delivered to foreign intelligence services under a process known as "rendition," the paper said, citing U.S. and foreign intelligence sources.
The top 30 al Qaeda prisoners are isolated from the outside world, they have no recognized legal rights and no one outside the CIA is allowed to talk with or see them, the sources told the newspaper.
The paper, citing several former and current intelligence and other U.S. government officials, said the CIA used such detention centers abroad because in the United States it is illegal to hold prisoners in such isolation.
The Washington Post said it was not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program at the request of senior U.S. officials.
The officials argued that disclosure could disrupt counterterrorism efforts or make the host countries targets for retaliation, the newspaper said.
The secret detention system was conceived shortly after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, when the working assumption was that another strike was imminent, the report said.
Surapong, the Thai government spokesman, said Bangkok was probably mentioned because it helped catch Hambali, an Indonesian accused of being Osma bin Laden's key link to Southeast Asia, in 2003.
Thailand's security cooperation with the United States would have to be done "in an open and legitimate manner," he said.
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| VERTiG0 |
Does anybody really give a though?
I don't.
I bet though, that this makes me some kind of monster in somebody's eyes. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Does anybody really give a though?
I don't.
I bet though, that this makes me some kind of monster in somebody's eyes. |
true but whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by simms327
true but whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? |
What?
Like the all innocent people that have had their heads cut off?? :mad: |
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| DigitalMP |
The thread is going to turn very ugly, very fast...
If you're participating in terrorism, you should ing hang and never see daylight. Some might say the US is killing innocent people, but we went abroad with the intention of wiping out terrorism, whether you say our main interest was that or not. We may have had other minor agendas, but if you think it was oil, tell me how that has turned out?
With respect to the US and its commandeering the war on terrorism, no other country has the money, manpower and military intelligence to manage the armies of several countries as the US has.
I'm not shedding light on arrogance, but I think that when a country is a superpower as the US is, they have a certain obligation to act when you see a rising army of terrorist cells across the globe, whether they have strong or weak links to one another.
Some very, very powerful and very, very dangerous men are in the top ranks of these terrorist organizations, and no matter what anyone says, they would commit 9/11 many times over in the US, UK, Indonesia, Egypt, and wherever else they think they need to be heard. |
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| simms327 |
^^ i agree with you, and hope this doesnt turn 'ugly'
i found the article interesting and thought I'd share it
i just think that everyone deserves a fair trial, and not be locked up in a prison somewhere in eastern europe. If it was me, I'd want a fair trial.
If these people have done horrible terrorist acts, then publicise it, and punish them for it. The world would be better off being a lot mroe transparent.
This is being a bit of an idealist - I know.
Having secret prisons etc just breeds more and more hatred, and wont really solve the problem. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigitalMP
With respect to the US and its commandeering the war on terrorism, no other country has the money, manpower and military intelligence to manage the armies of several countries as the US has.
I'm not shedding light on arrogance, but I think that when a country is a superpower as the US is, they have a certain obligation to act when you see a rising army of terrorist cells across the globe, whether they have strong or weak links to one another.
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No US doesn't. Give me one good reason why US has any sort of moral obligation to be the world police. (If yes, why does not US just rule the bloody world? It would certainly make things so much easier)
Nations have only one obligation and it is to look after itself and its interests. I completely agree that terrorists should be made to regret they ever wish they thought Allah is going to let them virgins for killing innocent people, but I do not believe US (or any nation) should feel obligated to wipe these ******s out. Not unless it involves their interest somehow or protection of its citizens.
Don't think a nation has human characteristics or treat it as accordingly. |
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| jon jon |
bahah who tha fack posted that xfiles midi in this thread? HAHAHA
I was listening to a set, and i was like " this xfiles sample is SO LAME"
BAHAHA kldsajflka sdf;ljdaskf; |
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| StereoPrincess |
my guess is this guy.
and i was right. |
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| arek |
dana scully is on the case!
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| DigitalMP |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
No US doesn't. Give me one good reason why US has any sort of moral obligation to be the world police. (If yes, why does not US just rule the bloody world? It would certainly make things so much easier)
Nations have only one obligation and it is to look after itself and its interests. I completely agree that terrorists should be made to regret they ever wish they thought Allah is going to let them virgins for killing innocent people, but I do not believe US (or any nation) should feel obligated to wipe these ******s out. Not unless it involves their interest somehow or protection of its citizens.
Don't think a nation has human characteristics or treat it as accordingly. |
So when you and your 5 friends see someone who is gay getting the beat out of them by three guys who plan to do this to every gay in the world, what do you do? Watch?
After all, it's their obligation to stand up for themselves, and it's their fault they're outnumbered and too weak to do so. |
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