|
Turkey = Anti Muslim/Religion ?
|
View this Thread in Original format
| St_Andrew |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4424776.stm
| quote: | Court backs Turkish headscarf ban
Turkey can ban Islamic headscarves in universities, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled.
The court rejected an appeal by a Turkish woman who argued that the state ban violated her right to an education and discriminated against her.
Leyla Sahin had brought the case in 1998 after being excluded from class at Istanbul University.
But the judges ruled that the ban was justified to maintain order and avoid giving preference to any religion.
Although overwhelmingly Muslim, Turkey is a secular republic and the Islamic headscarf is banned in all universities and official buildings.
The BBC's Sarah Rainsford in Istanbul says the verdict will have a major impact as more than 1,000 other women from Turkey have filed similar applications.
'Extremist movements'
According to the court's ruling, which is final, the headscarf ban is based on the Turkish constitution's principles of secularism and equality.
In a society where men and women are equal, it said, a ban on religious attire such as the headscarf was justified on university premises.
"The court did not lose sight of the fact that there were extremist political movements in Turkey which sought to impose on society as a whole their religious symbols and conception of a society founded on religious precepts," the court's ruling added.
Our correspondent says the ruling is a bitter disappointment for Ms Sahin and her lawyers.
Ms Sahin, who now lives in Vienna, had argued the ban violated her right to study and discriminated against her for her religious belief.
Her defence team believe the decision is political and that the court feared the enormous implications of ruling otherwise for a mainly Muslim country.
But they point out that the headscarf ban applies to all Turkish universities, state or private, so that students are faced with an impossible dilemma - to ignore their religious beliefs or go without higher education. |
This is actually a lot worse than the French ban imo, since it has to do with Universities, not highschools!
To me it seems like a weird ruling... |
|
|
| HardTranceProd |
| What's weird? Turkey is trying to become part of Europe. In order to do that, it needs to demonstrate that, like Europe, it is extremely secular. |
|
|
| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| i support the ban. wear the scarf outside of class. IMO, turkey is the most forward facing country in the middle east. |
|
|
| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
What's weird? Turkey is trying to become part of Europe. In order to do that, it needs to demonstrate that, like Europe, it is extremely secular. |
it has more meaning than just that. What is now known as Turkey rebelled from the Ottoman Empire's rule because of the strict religious laws that it was passing along with other reasons. There were banners of the revolutionary leader ( his name escapes me and unlike some people I don't google everything single thing to sound smart) and a woman without the veil or headscarfs to show their full independance. Turkey is still religious, though to an extent. For those of you who have been to Istanbul you've probably heard that at certain times during the day the Imam (don't know if thats the right term) reads a prayer that is heard throughout the whole Western city. |
|
|
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
i support the ban. wear the scarf outside of class. IMO, turkey is the most forward facing country in the middle east. |
You support fascism. The state doesn't have the right to tell you how to practice your religion/not to practice your religion.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
A woman without the veil or headscarfs to show their full independance. |
No it doesn't, all it shows it that she chooses not to wear one. It's generally a good idea to be informed about a subject before passing comment that demonstrate your ignorance. |
|
|
| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
it has more meaning than just that. What is now known as Turkey rebelled from the Ottoman Empire's rule because of the strict religious laws that it was passing along with other reasons. There were banners of the revolutionary leader ( his name escapes me and unlike some people I don't google everything single thing to sound smart) and a woman without the veil or headscarfs to show their full independance. Turkey is still religious, though to an extent. For those of you who have been to Istanbul you've probably heard that at certain times during the day the Imam (don't know if thats the right term) reads a prayer that is heard throughout the whole Western city. |
Eh it's not really that Turkey rebelled from the Ottoman empire since it was the very center of the empire. The event is more comparable to a revolution after a loss in world war. And the guy you're talking about is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk if I'm not mistaken...
Anyway, I'm not really against the ban. Neither this one nor the french one are about headscarfes but about pointing out large religious symbols in public places, and headscarfes have become a muslim religious symbol, although theoretically they aren't explicitely mentioned anywhere. |
|
|
| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
You support fascism. The state doesn't have the right to tell you how to practice your religion/not to practice your religion.
|
yea i wasnt thinking. whats the harm in wearing scarf to university? |
|
|
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
yea i wasnt thinking. whats the harm in wearing scarf to university? |
[serious response]None whatsoever.[/serious response]
(Please tell me you weren't being sarcastic) :nervous: |
|
|
| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
[serious response]None whatsoever.[/serious response]
(Please tell me you weren't being sarcastic) :nervous: |
i wasnt:stongue: |
|
|
| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
No it doesn't, all it shows it that she chooses not to wear one. It's generally a good idea to be informed about a subject before passing comment that demonstrate your ignorance. |
what are you grumbling about? It's generally a good idea to know what a person is talking about before you infest a thread with your endless nonsense :rolleyes:
It depicts that Turkey wanted to have freedom, and me saying that she wanted to be independant is clearly not the same thing as her choosing to be ...independant, how smart ;) |
|
|
| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Eh it's not really that Turkey rebelled from the Ottoman empire since it was the very center of the empire. The event is more comparable to a revolution after a loss in world war. And the guy you're talking about is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk if I'm not mistaken...
|
Forgot his full name so didn't wanna take a whack at it. Anyways, that doesn't really mean much. Russia, primarly, Moscow and St.Petersburg were the center of the Russian Empire yet that's where it all began :p |
|
|
| Dj_Irish |
Well, although this might seem like a very secular thing to do by the Turkish government I think the purpose and effect is quite the opposite.
Right now it's the Islamic party who has the power in Turkey and from what I gather from my long discussions with my Turkish friends (all whom are attending university) in Ankara they think that this Islamic party is run by a bunch of religious fanatics. They may appear to be very secular but there is a real worry among the students that this might just be a facade.
With this in mind, the ban of headscarves in official buildings are probably more an instrument to keep the women from any position of power, as seen in many islamic countries around middle east. It may also be a cosmetic move towards the EU giving the message that they are tough on Islamic fundamentalists.
I think this is a bad move in a country which such a huge islamic population. Women will not be able to give up wearing the headscarves in order to get access to these public institution, because of either social pressure or their own religious belief.
Not only will women have harder time getting a good education, they are also banned from courthouses where female lawyers are fighting for womens rights.
*edit: those pesky spelling errors* |
|
|
|
|
