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Mixing styles other than 4/4
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| s3nate |
Hi, Im just wondering if certain mixing techniques apply to other genres such as breakbeat and DnB.
This means Phrase Matching, Beatmatching... etc...
Or is it all just mixing into the breakdown and all timing? |
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| idoru |
Umm...
Breaks and DnB still use 4/4 time. 4/4 is a method of keeping time, not a beat pattern. |
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| djdk |
i think lots of people confuse "four to the floor" with "four four".
Four four means that there are four beats to a bar, im a bit too pissed to come up with more of an explanation than that, but there are plenty out there, google it.
Four to the floor means that the time signiture of a track is 4/4 and there are four KICK DRUMS in a bar, which all fall on the beat, like house trance techno etc.
There are plenty of other styles of music that all use a 4/4 time signature but dont necessarily have four kicks a bar and theyre not all on the beat as it were.
for example, bad one i know, 2-step tens to only have 2 kick drums pre bar, both quite often off the beat as well, but still is in the 4/4 time signiture.
So to answer your question, the same mixing techniques apply to pretty much all dance music, as its all in 4/4. Have a go at mixing other, more broken beat styles and you'll soon pick up on the 4/4 repetitions.
hope that made sense, im drunk hahaha |
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| s3nate |
Sorry I should have made what I thought 4/4 was a lot more clear'er.
Basically what I thought 4/4 was, was the usual trance/house/techno beat (boom,boom,boom,boom....) |
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| Choobak |
| Hmmmm.. does anyone actually dj using 3/4 or any time signature aside from 4/4? Ha.. maybe someone's busting out a wicked mix of waltzes... |
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| Pavy |
| With some genre's you can afford to give a very choppy mix, hitting the crossfader across and back again every two beats. Of course that kind of mixing has got to suit the track, it should have lots of stabs in the main body of the track. Techno, Breakbeat and some Hardhouse tracks can be mixed this way, but of course they can also suit longer drawn out mixing. I always prefer mixing those styles due to the versatility that can be applied to the mix. |
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| Pavy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
Hmmmm.. does anyone actually dj using 3/4 or any time signature aside from 4/4? Ha.. maybe someone's busting out a wicked mix of waltzes... |
I dunno but have you heard the track 'JB3 - Forklift' (that's one of Joey Beltrams earlier tracks) that works on 123,123,123 etc. A very odd but good track. |
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| Derivative |
uhhhh, you dont really beatmatch on time signitures. you beatmatch on any constant looping sound. usually in trance this is a kick drum although you could just as easily do it on a high hat. drum and bass and breakbeat typically has a snare on every 2nd and 4th beat which you can beat match to. even if it doesnt have both it normally always has a snare hit on the second beat. failing that, most breakbeat tracks at least have a ride cymbal or offhat cymbal playing in 8ths which you can beat match to.
the only problems with mixing styles is in the bpm. drum and bass is written and played in prestissimo - very fast. slowing it down to beat match it to trance (typically played alegro - literally 'at ease') will make the dnb track sound totally wrong.
likewise chipmunking the trance tune by speeding it up to dnb speed will make it sound silly.
as long as there is some kind of cyclical sound in a recording, you can beat match it. pretty much all music is founded on some kind of cyclical, rhymic principle - especially dance music. certain styles like ambient and industrial which can sometimes have no real cyclical patterns can still be mixed with other songs although you do no beatmatching - you just swing them in subtly when the beat drops out.
although getting non stupid sounding results usually restricts the dj to beatmatching songs of similar tempo. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
uhhhh, you dont really beatmatch on time signitures. |
Umm, yeah. You don't want one cymbal crash on a tune to be one beat behind a cymbal crash on another tune. |
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| b i n k u n |
*sigh...let's see if i can help clear this up a little. Probably been posted before, but just for everyone's browsing ease...
Time Signature: in classical music theory, this simply states how many beats in a bar/measure and which note gets the count of one beat. 4/4 is probably the most common time signature nowadays. the upper number states how many beats in a bar/measure, the lower number states which kind of note gets a count of one beat.
for example:
4/4: four beats in a bar/measure, quarter note gets one beat.
6/8: six beats in a bar/measure, eighth note gets one beat.
now, "four to the floor" or what we associate with trance/techno/house...was only coined to describe the kick drum landing on each beat of a 4/4 time signature. contrarily, breakbeat/dnb/2step/hiphop/etc do not usually have this characteristic kick drum on each beat....hence "broken beats".
onto beatmatching genres...u do not need to have the kickdrum on each beat in order to beatmatch. it simply makes it easier! almost all dance music has a 4/4 time signature which means u can phrase match all of them quite easily. the only discrepancy between genres being its BPM (beats per minute) which equals the pitch/speed. beatmatching is simply this...matching the BPM that occur in a song. i.e. hard house is 150+bpm, progressive is around 120-135. (#s quoted just for reference, are not concrete bpms.) therefore while technically you can mix trance and drum n bass...as Derivative said..it will sound like .
to attempt at better clarifying what Derivative was saying...it is still technically possible to mix 4/4 music with 3/4 music or 6/8 music or 128/372 music...as long as there is a repeating sound/loop/melody/riff/phrase. therefore, the phrase match will exist...only at a much different length then the usual 32 or 64 beat phrase common in trance. therefore time signatures do not play a role in mixing.
make any sense? no? ah well, i tried. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
Hmmmm.. does anyone actually dj using 3/4 or any time signature aside from 4/4? Ha.. maybe someone's busting out a wicked mix of waltzes... |
I made a 3/4 track recently. It was chillout though... |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by b i n k u n
lots of stuff... |
yea thats a clearer explaination than mine.
one of my friends used to (for a laugh of course) mix police records into drum and bass. police songs are pretty fast anyway and message in a bottle will easily go into dnb without it sounding totally ridiculous. but because the police are not drum machine accurate, it drifts out of time and requires periodic correction by pushing the record along/slowing the platter down. but its possible.
he used to mix all sorts actually. from rock to jazz. usually into the dirtiest, filthiest and rudest drum and bass. and for the most part it was hilarious.
there are few things as funny as listening to some dirty nasty raiden tune like pitbull attack booming out and then hearing 'im sending out an SOS!' im sending out an SOS!' start to fade in quietly amid all the distortion. |
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