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Liberals reveal Conservative style tax cuts to try and give voters "Gomery amnesia" (pg. 2)
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
oh no a christmas election! Forcing people to think about something other than presents.
OH THE HORROR!
We are such a spoiled society... |
haha
i highly doubt its gonna happen though |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
oh no a christmas election! Forcing people to think about something other than presents.
OH THE HORROR!
We are such a spoiled society... |
I think the truth of the matter is polititions don't like Christmas elections.... I'm not so sure the public really cares. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
oh no a christmas election! Forcing people to think about something other than presents.
OH THE HORROR!
We are such a spoiled society... |
your idealistic opinion vs. the way things are.
no offense, but I know which one will actually matter if a Christmas election campaign occurs. |
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| Scot @ SJIRadio |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
your idealistic opinion vs. the way things are.
no offense, but I know which one will actually matter if a Christmas election campaign occurs. |
Big second. The majority of the voting public (not over opinionated 20-30 year olds) will detest a Christmas election (seniors).
Simply because a few members of the Liberal party had more than the their country's future on their agenda does not mean that the entire party and what they stand for is corrupt. Thats simply an ignorant assumption to make.
As for "waiting for GST to be cut", as I'm sure you know; the agenda of a politcal party is to PASS as many bills through parliment that they had on their political platform. It is not feasible to pass them all. It never happens and we both know this. So they select the bills that they feel will have the least opposition and the most benifit to the public. Do you REALLY think if a bill was purposed to remove GST it would pass? I know your ideals are clouded, but not the clouded.
PS: I don't hate Jayx1, just his views :D |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Harper has to go. Hopefully after he f's up this election the conservative caucus will get their act together, nominate a strong leader and put some tighter controls on their MPs. Only then will the conservatives start to gain support in Ontario. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scot @ SJIRadio
Big second. The majority of the voting public (not over opinionated 20-30 year olds) will detest a Christmas election (seniors).
Simply because a few members of the Liberal party had more than the their country's future on their agenda does not mean that the entire party and what they stand for is corrupt. Thats simply an ignorant assumption to make.
As for "waiting for GST to be cut", as I'm sure you know; the agenda of a politcal party is to PASS as many bills through parliment that they had on their political platform. It is not feasible to pass them all. It never happens and we both know this. So they select the bills that they feel will have the least opposition and the most benifit to the public. Do you REALLY think if a bill was purposed to remove GST it would pass? I know your ideals are clouded, but not the clouded.
PS: I don't hate Jayx1, just his views :D |
do u even know the history of the GST debacle? And the whole sheila copps affair? It was a disgrace. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Harper has to go. Hopefully after he f's up this election the conservative caucus will get their act together, nominate a strong leader and put some tighter controls on their MPs. Only then will the conservatives start to gain support in Ontario. |
I agree |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
It doesn't matter what the rest of the country thinks....Ontario is where it is Decided....the liberals still have a strong hold on Ontario. Whether you like Liberals or not...until Harper is ousted there is no chance they will win.
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Is it fair to compare an obvious corrupt government to a goverment that has never been, based on opinion and fortune telling?
I can't believe people's melancholy attitude towards $100 Million of taxpayers hard earned dollars going out the window.
How about I take your paycheque, convert it to some bills and throw it in the fire in front of you. Would that help??
That money was real people. Yours AND mine.
We can't rationalize morality. It was wrong, dead and simple and there's no way in hell I'm going to be a bought like a simple country bumpkin willing to turn the other cheek because I'm being handed money.
They. cannot. be. trusted.
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And this is different then any other political group? Face it....we are all going to get FUBARed when it comes to government. The reality is....we need to vote....it really doesn't matter who you vote for as long as you do....if you don't vote then you have no business to express any opinion. |
Political apathy is our biggest challenge in this country and that's what the Liberals are hoping for.
Let's just hope people really aren't that foolish. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
^^^^We all know that every party is going to say and do things that they have no chance of ever doing. The liberals will bad mouth the Conservatives and vice versa. The NDP will bad mouth everyone and when it comes down to it the liberals will stay in power.
Harper does not have the confidence of his people behind him. He is not a strong leader. Ontario will continue to vote liberal and as long as that happens they will stay in power. Quebec belongs to the bloc and the liberals. The other provinces mean so little when it comes to seats in parliment and until the conservatives can make a move and take the bloc out of quebec and liberals out of ontario then the worse case scenario for the liberl party is a minority government for the conservatives.
Harper wants an election before the Gomery Report is final because he knows that it will make the Martin Liberals look not so bad. Harper cannot even grow the popularity of the party with all the crap Jean left for Paul to clean up. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ and I can't believe the lack of interest towards the OVERALL budget that I bet 99% of Canadians have, but who will remain outraged with this 100 million.
this is *not at all* meant to discount the sum of money involved...but do you pay that much (any) attention to the overall annual gov't budgets? To the entire budgets proposed by each opposition party? I *guarantee* that if you took a look at each, you'd find FAR more than 100 million to cry about.
again...the scandals were wrong...those involved should absolutely be punished and booted. It does NOT follow that the entire current administration is "corrupt" and unfit to lead the country.
Speaking of unfit to lead...if Harper can't gain the confidence of voters amidst an outright scandal like this, what does that tell you about the effectiveness of HIS leadership?
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
do u even know the history of the GST debacle? And the whole sheila copps affair? It was a disgrace. |
in addition to blaming those lying Liberals who promised to repeal it...how about the Conservative gov't that IMPLEMENTED it under the guise of all of the hidden taxes being removed to offset it (except that the savings were abosorbed long before the products reached consumers (re: books)
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Harper has to go. Hopefully after he f's up this election the conservative caucus will get their act together, nominate a strong leader and put some tighter controls on their MPs. Only then will the conservatives start to gain support in Ontario. |
yep. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
I think the perfect leader for the Conservatives is:
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
^^^^We all know that every party is going to say and do things that they have no chance of ever doing. The liberals will bad mouth the Conservatives and vice versa. The NDP will bad mouth everyone and when it comes down to it the liberals will stay in power.
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I do agree, the conservatives need a stronger leader but that's small pitance compared to what we've been willing to deal with thus far.
I'd rather have a weak leader that's willing to make changes honestly than live under a corrupt one with no morals.
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Harper does not have the confidence of his people behind him. He is not a strong leader. Ontario will continue to vote liberal and as long as that happens they will stay in power. Quebec belongs to the bloc and the liberals. The other provinces mean so little when it comes to seats in parliment and until the conservatives can make a move and take the bloc out of quebec and liberals out of ontario then the worse case scenario for the liberl party is a minority government for the conservatives.
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The only reason Quebec has Liberals in it was because their votes were bought.
Don't be surprised if the whole province is Bloc next round...
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Harper wants an election before the Gomery Report is final because he knows that it will make the Martin Liberals look not so bad.
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Duh!
Public political memories are very short indeed.
The longer we wait and let the Liberals taunt us with money, the more likely people will suddenly "forget".
I don't blame him at all.
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Harper cannot even grow the popularity of the party with all the crap Jean left for Paul to clean up. |
Jean and Paul were never close partners, they hated each other vehemently. In fact, one of the great presents Jean left for Paul was a cap on what corporate political donations are (I believe it was $1000 or $5000, something like that).
Anyone who knows anything about where Liberals get there donations from in the past knows they're screwed. The numbers that are showing the donations thus far are confirming this; the days of buying the votes are done. |
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