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Liberals reveal Conservative style tax cuts to try and give voters "Gomery amnesia" (pg. 3)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ and I can't believe the lack of interest towards the OVERALL budget that I bet 99% of Canadians have, but who will remain outraged with this 100 million.
this is *not at all* meant to discount the sum of money involved...but do you pay that much (any) attention to the overall annual gov't budgets? To the entire budgets proposed by each opposition party? I *guarantee* that if you took a look at each, you'd find FAR more than 100 million to cry about.
again...the scandals were wrong...those involved should absolutely be punished and booted. It does NOT follow that the entire current administration is "corrupt" and unfit to lead the country.
Speaking of unfit to lead...if Harper can't gain the confidence of voters amidst an outright scandal like this, what does that tell you about the effectiveness of HIS leadership?
in addition to blaming those lying Liberals who promised to repeal it...how about the Conservative gov't that IMPLEMENTED it under the guise of all of the hidden taxes being removed to offset it (except that the savings were abosorbed long before the products reached consumers (re: books)
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I agree that mulroney was a scumbag too... thank god that PCs were punished for their arrogance in 1993 and their party wiped off the planet. Time to do the same to the liberals for even worse scandals than mulroney and his arrogance could have ever dreamed of. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'd rather have a weak leader that's willing to make changes honestly than live under a corrupt one with no morals.
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Now you are making a huge assumption here......every political party is corrupt with no morals. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Now you are making a huge assumption here......every political party is corrupt with no morals. |
And that's not an assumption??
No offence but actually it sounds more like an excuse and not one I'll be using in my decision making... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
And that's not an assumption??
No offence but actually it sounds more like an excuse and not one I'll be using in my decision making... |
And it shouldn't be used in decision making....every political party will lie to get into power and promise things they can't deliver....it is all part of the game....so all of us have to realize that what ever party is in power they will have lied to us in order to get there. |
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| Jayx1 |
| ^^^^^^ abd its up to us to punish those liars when they lie. Especially when lying extends to stealing as well. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
I would rather not vote Liberal but it's the only party I feel somewhat ok voting for. The NDP are a complete waste of everyone's time. They are nothing but that little angel on your shoulder (conscience) that natter away about things like Healthcare. They serve their purpose but will never form a government. I hate the new Conservative party because the backbone is the old Alliance and they haven't changed. I will NEVER vote for an Albertan right winger. If the old Torie part was still in tact, I might vote for them, even though it would have been a waste as well.
It's either Liberal or don't vote and I hate people who don't vote. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I will NEVER vote for an Albertan right winger. |
Have you looked at their province lately?
$8 Billion dollar surplus, no provincial debt., more surplus than all other provinces combined and giving out $400 cheques to each and every resident. That's just the tip of the iceburg.
They're obviously doing something right that the rest of us need to look at seriously. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Now you are making a huge assumption here......every political party is corrupt with no morals. |
Correction, every "brokerage" party is corrupt and has no morals. Grassroots parties tend to be very much based in ideology and will stick to that ideology thereby solidifying the support of their base supporters. Brokerage parties are guided by the persuit of power and will forward or abandon certain policies in order to gain the favour of the electorate.
The Reform Party was a grassroots party.... they believed what they believed and were not willing to stray from their ideological positions. While this built incredible support from the western rural population it did not translate into urban or eastern support.
The change from the Reform to the Alliance brought with it a softening of certain ideological positions which made the party more palitable to the urban westerners, up-set some of the grassroots supporters, but was not far enough from the Reform platform to garner support in the east.
Now we have the Conservatives which retain much of the same flavour as the Reform party of old but have drastically softened their ideological stand point to the extent that they have either abandoned or hidden some of the founding principles of their former selves. This has helped to gain support east of Manitoba, however, it is costing them support from the grassroots in the western rural communities.
Unfortunately, the east does not trust them enough to give them a shot at governance. This will not change until there is an Easterner in charge because until that time too many people will continue to identify the Conservatives as the Reform in disguise. The danger facing the Conservatives is that by moving more and more to the brokerage model they will alienate their grassroots supporter to the point that they will withdraw their support and create another "western conservative" party, subsequently, resulting in another divided right situation. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Have you looked at their province lately?
$8 Billion dollar surplus, no provincial debt., more surplus than all other provinces combined and giving out $400 cheques to each and every resident. That's just the tip of the iceburg.
They're obviously doing something right that the rest of us need to look at seriously. |
due to oil prices, not ideological governance. Even the NDP could run a profitable Alberta given the current economic forces..... similar to how Ontario always does well when the US economy is hot regardless of who is in power. |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Have you looked at their province lately?
$8 Billion dollar surplus, no provincial debt., more surplus than all other provinces combined and giving out $400 cheques to each and every resident. That's just the tip of the iceburg.
They're obviously doing something right that the rest of us need to look at seriously. |
what they are doing right, is sitting on oil - the rest of canada wont get a $400 cheque just cause the next primeminister will be a right wing albertan. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
due to oil prices, not ideological governance. Even the NDP could run a profitable Alberta given the current economic forces..... similar to how Ontario always does well when the US economy is hot regardless of who is in power. |
Not true.
Their tax revenue clearly shows almost 1/2 of it is due to personal income tax, not oil revenues.
That would because Alberta takes care of their corporate businesses that create jobs in which to collect more revenue; the way it should be.
There is a governmental difference between here and there and it shows.
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Not true.
Their tax revenue clearly shows almost 1/2 of it is due to personal income tax, not oil revenues.
That would because Alberta takes care of their corporate businesses that create jobs in which to collect more revenue; the way it should be.
There is a governmental difference between here and there and it shows.
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The economy in Alberta is hot due to oil. Ten years ago when it was not economical to develop the oil sands the economy wasn't quite so rosey. Take away the oil and Alberta is in the ter again. Remember that PIT based on personal incomes which increase as an aggraget when the economy is growing and CITs are based on commercial profit which also increases when the economy is hot.
Additionally, you cannot disregard that if not for oil revenue the province would require higher taxes to operate. |
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