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Is the NDP in bed with the seperatists???
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| Jayx1 |
They must be since they are about to vote with them along with the conservatives to bring down the government.
Where's the same media spin from last summer when it was just the conservatives going for the kill? Suddenly lefties are involved so everything is ok?
So either the NDP is also in bed with scary seperatists or the media last spring was full of .
Yeah thats what i thought........
If there ever were a textbook case for illustration of canadian media bias in canadian politics, this is it. |
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| rabbitjoker |
I am more concerned that Harper will form a minority gov't with coalition support from the Bloc.
Federal parties should NEVER form coalitions with separatists. NEVER!
It is an outrageous embarrassment that co-operation between the two parties has already come as far as it has.
It is starting to look like a vote for the Conservative Party is a vote for seperatisim. |
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| Jayx1 |
If there are any coalitions to be made it should be liberal-conservative.
I doubt they would form a coalition with the bloc however i am sure that sometimes they will vote together on certain issues such as all parties have done in the past. |
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| MarkT |
I think the difference here is that ALL opposition parties are voting together to bring down the gov't...not just two parties with radically different political philosophies and agendas.
nice try though.
if you want to find fault...then ask Layton why he propped up the Liberals before, but isn't now...despite there being little new info from the Gomery report.
i.e. he was clearly supporting them so long as he got his way on certain issues, but then yanked support when Martin said "no" to further demands. Now, he's saying he can't support them because they're suddenly unfit to lead? lol...just come clean Jack...you weren't being given the power to enact the change you wanted, so you're joining the other parties to bring the Liberals down.
(there's nothing really "wrong" with that...just admit it, that's all). |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I am more concerned that Harper will form a minority gov't with coalition support from the Bloc.
Federal parties should NEVER form coalitions with separatists. NEVER!
It is an outrageous embarrassment that co-operation between the two parties has already come as far as it has.
It is starting to look like a vote for the Conservative Party is a vote for seperatisim. |
interesting...
I definitely agree that NONE of the parties should be seeking Bloq support...it indirectly legitimizes their agenda. Personally, I'd like to see the Liberals, Conservatives and NDP all tell the Bloq to go themselves and work together to ensure Quebec's inclusion (and happy inclusion) in Canada. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I am more concerned that Harper will form a minority gov't with coalition support from the Bloc.
Federal parties should NEVER form coalitions with separatists. NEVER!
It is an outrageous embarrassment that co-operation between the two parties has already come as far as it has.
It is starting to look like a vote for the Conservative Party is a vote for seperatisim. |
wow, petty politics.
while the Bloc is a separatist party, it is also the party representing the second most important province in this dying federation.
The Bloc and the PC are in accord on many subjects except maybe the federalist/separatist part.
If the other parties want to get elected in Quebec why don't they offer what Quebekers ask? |
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| Jayx1 |
| there are several times in the past when the liberals and the bloc were the only 2 parties supporting certain votes and nobody said boo. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
wow, petty politics.
while the Bloc is a separatist party, it is also the party representing the second most important province in this dying federation.
The Bloc and the PC are in accord on many subjects except maybe the federalist/separatist part.
If the other parties want to get elected in Quebec why don't they offer what Quebekers ask? |
2nd most populace, for sure, important.... I don't want to take a position as it may give our friends in Alberta even more reason to hate Toronto.
Malek, the Bloc is not really a party if not for the separatist agenda. The Parti Quebecois and their cohorets in Ottawa are a collection of people from all sorts of ideological standpoints that have created a loose co-operative arrangement to serve the common goal of separatism. Both parties are comprised of elements from the far left, far right, unionists, centerists, fascists, comunists, libritarians and everything you can think of. Of course there are many subjects they will agree with the conservatives on but then there are many they will agree with the NDP on, the greens, the Canadian Action Party, hell even the liberals.... it all depends who in the BQ you speak to on any given issue. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
wow, petty politics. |
Call nationalism petty if you wish.
Canadians who care about keeping Canada whole will NOT vote for a party that collaborates with separatists nor a gov't that is propped up by separatists.
Whether separatists share the viewpoints of conservatives on many issues is irrelevant. The Bloc and PQ's founding objective is to separate Quebec from Canada (the Bloc sets the environment federally to make it possible, the PQ executes it provincially).
Here's an idea: if Quebec wants representation in Ottawa - form a Quebec party with no separatists intentions. I don't think any nationalist would have a problem supporting such a party. |
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| EvilTree |
The funny thing about Bloc is that it started out as a conglomerate of disgruntled Quebecois. A mixture of guys from all political spectrum.
I think in the next election, the only true winner is going to be Bloc, b/c Quebec will give a lot of Liberal seats to Bloc. Even if conservatives get a minority, one yank from Bloc means another no confidence motion. (Joe Clark scenario anyone?) |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
there are several times in the past when the liberals and the bloc were the only 2 parties supporting certain votes and nobody said boo. |
they weren't joining together to bring down or prop up a gov't.
maybe we wouldn't have this problem if there was more than just a Liberal opposition presence in Quebec.
of course, under Harper's incompetent leadership, the Conservatives haven't gained ground in Quebec (nevermind overall) and the NDP doesn't even bother with Quebec either. |
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| malek |
so after reading your posts you have 3 national parties that don't even bother with Quebec and you still want people in Quebec to vote for them?
from which planet are you guys coming from? this makes no sense.
you guys don't understand the Bloc motives, while at first its a sovergneist party, its still a party most people in Quebec vote for and even by federalists and people who still want to stay in Canada (like most Quebeckers), the reason is simple like I wrote above, there's a total disconnect by national parties and Quebec.
National parties don't bother with Quebec and Quebecois won't bother voting for them. |
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