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| DigiNut |
Education isn't necessarily the only answer to poverty - these people have no desire to work either. Canada and the USA were both founded to a large extent by immigrants who had little to no education but worked hard.
It still comes down to families though - most decent parents will want their kids to either get an education or get a job. |
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| EvilTree |
You know what I wish that will occur? I stole this idea from 'All Quiet on Western Front' (a must read novel)
Set a time and a place and let all the gangs have a giant gun battle. Darwinism at its finest. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
You know what I wish that will occur? I stole this idea from 'All Quiet on Western Front' (a must read novel)
Set a time and a place and let all the gangs have a giant gun battle. Darwinism at its finest. |
and the winner gets a one way ticket to iraq |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
and the winner gets a one way ticket to iraq |
LOL. I'd love to see terrorists versus gangsters gun fight. |
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| spitty |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
It's mostly the family issue. These people don't want to go to school or be educated, and their parents (if they have parents) don't care enough to force them to go.
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so whats your plan to fix this?
how do u make people want to get an education, a good job, to stay on the right side of the law? do we force the parents to care?
do u think we have to "train" them when they are young into believing that this is the best course of action? how do we do that?
is it even our responsibility? or do we let them sort it out themselves?
cmon u guys. whats your solutions to FIXING society?? if it was up to you, what laws and social programs would u put in place to help the situation or in most of your cases, what social programs would u take away? i'm not asking what you think will solve this temporarily. give me long term. next generation..or the generation after that |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by spitty
so whats your plan to fix this?
how do u make people want to get an education, a good job, to stay on the right side of the law? do we force the parents to care?
do u think we have to "train" them when they are young into believing that this is the best course of action? how do we do that?
is it even our responsibility? or do we let them sort it out themselves?
cmon u guys. whats your solutions to FIXING society?? if it was up to you, what laws and social programs would u put in place to help the situation or in most of your cases, what social programs would u take away? i'm not asking what you think will solve this temporarily. give me long term. next generation..or the generation after that |
Well, here's one centrist's outtake.
Create a society which encourages its citizen to succeed by creating a condition which promotes success and by making its citizens understand that best way to achieve high standard of living is through collective teamwork.
Govt should be limited to creating a condition which gives everyone an opportunity such as national defence, basic healthcare and secondary education, as well as limited welfare for those who are temporarily out of jobs.
This does not mean govt should be trying for equal opportunity for everyone with crap like affirmative action, because no person will have same kinds of opportunities because of parents are rich or they are just more lucky, etc.
Govt should also be doing its best to limit unproductive (meaning, leechers) citizens as well punishing ones who are detrimental to the society (ie criminals)
Basis of civil strife generally is because in a society, one group is made a loser, whether it's perceived or reality, meaning a group thinks someone's not being fair to them by blocking off their opportunities for success. By giving everyone a chance to succeed, this will lessen chances of dissent and strife in a society.
In the end, it comes to whether parents care enough that their kids succeed. Parentship is first and foremost a leadership position, because you are guiding and leading someone. (To a lesser degree same goes for teachers)
Yet so many parents do a half assed job so their kids don't care much for a successful life at all. (monkey see, monkey do, esp. when kids see someone in authority position doing something)
Basically it comes down to whether a person wants to work for success or not. Because humans have 3 priorities; survival, greed and laziness. Most people want to keep living. Most people want a decent life. Most people don't wanna work very hard. By satisfying requirements for the 3 priorities, creating generally safe environment to live in, by creating opportunities for a decent living and by making its citizens understand that they have a better chance of achieving decent living if they work for it, a society has good chance of being successful.
Well, that's my take on it. :) |
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| Jayx1 |
| id make drugs legal. Then these thugs wont have an illecit income and will have to make an honest living. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
id make drugs legal. Then these thugs wont have an illecit income and will have to make an honest living. |
My dear god.... who would imagine this...... I don't think drugs should be legalized..... not for this reason anyway. The problem is that drugs are not the only illegal business these gangs are involved in. If you legalize drugs then you will simply have a shift in focus from drug trafficing to other criminal enterprises. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
My dear god.... who would imagine this...... I don't think drugs should be legalized..... not for this reason anyway. The problem is that drugs are not the only illegal business these gangs are involved in. If you legalize drugs then you will simply have a shift in focus from drug trafficing to other criminal enterprises. |
the biggest money maker for gangs in the 20s during prohibition was alcohol.
Drugs are no different |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
the biggest money maker for gangs in the 20s during prohibition was alcohol.
Drugs are no different |
true, however, if drugs cease to be profitable they will move on to the next most profitable venture.... prostitution, cheque washing, auto theft, insurance fraud, arms dealing, smash and grabs, etc...
The gangs are out to make money without the constraints of being part of the legitimate economy. If they can't do it one way they will do it another. Making drugs legal will not solve the problem. |
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| cyper |
Just remember that the reason you barely hear about white people going around shooting other people is that the mafia is usually invovled.
And since they pay off the police, the news groups dont write about it. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
true, however, if drugs cease to be profitable they will move on to the next most profitable venture.... prostitution, cheque washing, auto theft, insurance fraud, arms dealing, smash and grabs, etc...
The gangs are out to make money without the constraints of being part of the legitimate economy. If they can't do it one way they will do it another. Making drugs legal will not solve the problem. |
i honestly dont think these little punk ass kids are smart enough for most of these things.
Plus these crimes are much easier to catch than drug dealing. |
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